Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Post by bxk1 » Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 1:38 PM UTC

leroy_masochist wrote: post #37

Does anyone know if the Rosetta issue described in the review would affect the performance of a Parallels instance running MS Office products? Maybe this question would be better phrased, does Parallels fall into the category of software that runs poorly on the new M1 chipset?

> does Parallels fall into the category of software that runs poorly on the new M1 chipset?

It does for most use cases where you want to run images meant for different CPU architectures, like amd64. It shouldn't if you want to run something meant for the same CPU architecture, which isn't going to be a thing for a long long time.

Re: Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Post by jmuguy » Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 1:38 PM UTC

bstar77 wrote: post #7

"Apple-chosen press" is referenced in almost every paragraph of this article if you are wondering what the author's intent is here. I'll sum up his unique complaints... Lots of old Microsoft specific software still doesn't work well at the moment. If you are an enthusiastic Edge browser user, this laptop probably isn't for you.

This has gotta be the first time I’ve heard of anyone using Edge on macOS... I mean, why?

Re: Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Post by the_lucifer » Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 1:40 PM UTC

mikl wrote: post #8

It should hardly come as a surprise to anyone with just a little technical knowledge, that when you switch to a completely new system architecture, 3rd party apps do not all work perfectly from day one. Apple did not promise anything wrt. 3rd party apps, so talking about “broken promise” is downright dishonest. But that’s just the usual from the Forbes Contributor Network and Clown Car Testing Facility.

And it's sad because Apple has actually provided a very robust translation layer in Rosetta 2

Every single day we hear of at least one well known app adding support for M1 Macs. It's all a matter of time. I'd wager we'd have a robust ecosystem of apps once the Pro Macs launch (higher end 13" and the 16")

Re: Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Post by withinboredom » Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 1:41 PM UTC

alisonkisk wrote: post #36

bstar77 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pro is not any faster, it just has a fan that kicks in that prevents the machine from throttling as quickly. Someone who buys a PC with a water cooler isn't buying a machine that's faster than someone buying one with an air cooler. I realize there's a nuance here.

Throttling means slowing down. Not-throttling means going faster.

> Not-throttling means going faster.

No, it means not going slower. You don't go faster by not going slower.

Re: Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Post by the_lucifer » Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 1:41 PM UTC

mcculley wrote: post #38

That there is still not an LTE modem indicates some kind of market failure. Is this because of the Qualcomm patents?

Qualcomm's payments IIRC are also dependent on the final device cost so I'd think that the payments can get absurdly expensive. I'm hoping that cellular modems might come to the Mac when Apple gets their in-house modems ready

Re: Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Post by othercharles » Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 1:44 PM UTC

ianai wrote: post #28

themgt wrote: post #21

This review is hilariously bad and biased ("no touchscreen or 5G!"), but the app compatibility is an expected chicken-or-egg issue with early adopters. The point I would make is you have to weigh the app experience in Nov 2020 against your expected experience for the rest of the life of the machine. I know people who've kept Macs running for nearly a decade (e.g. 2011 Macbook Air) and I'd strongly suspect 5 years fro…

Apple shows no signs towards being interested in selling a touch screen laptop. They steer people to their iPads for that and have indicated otherwise for their laptops. Rightly or wrongly.

Jobs famously said quite strongly that they'd never do one. There is a video around of him justifying it due to the user's hands getting too tired https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=S9ZJHy8QOso .

After 12 years on Macs I picked up a touchscreen PC and would simply never go back to a non-touch machine, it is not essential, but it is incredibly convenient. Why shouldn't it be possible to touch rather than tap when appropriate? After a few months selecting an appropriate option for any particular input is totally natural and subconscious. I have no idea why noting the lack of touch on a Mac should be considered "biased".

Re: Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Post by Speednet » Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 1:44 PM UTC

Lots of back-and-forth on specs and compatibility, yet somehow the complete lack of privacy outed last week has suddenly vanished from the discussion. There might be something to that "Apple-Chosen Reviewer" thing. Perhaps Apple's best technology is the one that mutes all their shifty acts.

Re: Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Post by alisonkisk » Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 1:44 PM UTC

> During Covid-19, I know many people using their LTE-infused notebooks so they don’t have to compete with their kids for bandwidth.

That's just bizarre and makes me question this reviewer's comprehension of technology. He doesn't understand hotspots? He things hes maxing out a home wifi+ISP connection but LTE can handle the load?

Re: Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Post by bloopernova » Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 1:47 PM UTC

I realize that this is probably the wrong thread for this, but I wonder if the Apple Silicon will have an end result of more architectural diversity in web/cloud apps?

In other words, will people continue to use Macbooks to develop on? Therefore forcing things like Docker to switch to more architecture-agnostic ways of running? Or will people just use more remote VMs and container services?

I am also wondering how much of a hold the OS X UI has on people. Because I really enjoy using iTerm2, and having Homebrew and all the UNIX applications just a terminal away is great. They're also closer than the Microsoft WSL way of doing things because you don't have 2 home directories, multiple network addresses like you do with the latest WSL2 in Windows 10. (not to diss WSL2, it's great, and can run many things much closer to a true Linux/UNIX "experience")

I guess, along with winning the lottery and a pony, I want the underpinning of Linux, the games and Microsoft development effort of Windows, and the UI of OS X.

Re: Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Post by pmontra » Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 1:49 PM UTC

grey-area wrote: post #23

This is a review from someone who uses Microsoft Edge, Outlook, and Adobe Reader on a Mac. Those are very unusual choices nowadays for Mac software, so I don't think this applies to most Mac users considering upgrading.

Edge and Adobe Reader maybe but there are mixed environment companies.

What if your company's email and calendar server is Outlook? And what if everybody's writing docunents with Word and sheets with Excel?

Furthermore a web developer probably wants to test in Edge even if I assume Chrome is enough.