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CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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I feel sorry for any CEO who actually steps down to spend more time with his/her family. That explanation has now more or less been completely co-opted by "Our CEO got caught in an embarrassing scandal and they need to fade from the public eye for a bit." I now assume that anyone who gives that reason on their way out must have done something terrible that is yet or about to come to light.

This recently came up when Kellyanne Conway stepped down. She said it was to spend more time with her family, no one believed her, but all evidence points to it really truly being the case. Her husband also stepped down from his job and her daughter stopped tweeting about how much she hates her parents.

I am not sure she ever liked working for trump. It is weird that she chose to anyway.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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I feel sorry for any CEO who actually steps down to spend more time with his/her family. That explanation has now more or less been completely co-opted by "Our CEO got caught in an embarrassing scandal and they need to fade from the public eye for a bit." I now assume that anyone who gives that reason on their way out must have done something terrible that is yet or about to come to light.

LOL, if I ever make it at that level, my explanation for wanting to spend more time with my family will be "wanting to spend time with hookers"

Most of the value hookers bring to the table is not having to spend time with them to get what you want.

Your comment makes little to no sense.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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Being an executive at a (substantially smaller) SaaS startup I have no idea how having up to 90% of your revenue be fabricated could happen without others knowing: - where are the contracts corresponding to revenue? Yeah they are SaaS focused on SMB but this is a financial product, there will be contracts, NDAs, etc - if the majority of the customers are fake there is such little load on the system. How does engineer…

None of it makes sense in the context of a well-run business with proper executives in place. That’s because these frauds don’t operate like a well-run business. Usually, the upper management teams are extremely lean. The business is broken up into different silos such that few people can see the big picture. Each is led to believe they are a tiny fraction of the overall revenue, giving them the impression that the b…

Sometimes tribal/"team sport" group dynamics keep employees inline too. Executives can foster an "us against the world" mentality that blinds workers to that which is obvious to everybody else. When in this mindset, people have the ability to ignore even the most damning evidence.

Here's an example: When Enron's CEO verbally attacked wall street analyst Richard Grubman for questioning Enron's accounting practices, Enron employees thought this was hilarious and adopted the insult as a sort of inside joke. They didn't consider Richard Grubman's position, they just took delight in 'their team' dunking on 'opposing team.'

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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post #28

> It seems ironic that the co-founder of a company designed to prevent online fraud would engage in fraudulent activity himself I don't find that ironic at all. Having worked in the security space for a long time, it seems like the best people in the business are the ones who would be great at committing the crimes if not for their own morality. Someone with a weak sense of morals could easily turn to evil.

Well, it is a cyber fraud startup. They didn't lie about that.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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post #59
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much were you being paid a year to do basically nothing?

Decent salary, but that's not the point. I'm distraught to realize I spent 5 months on nothing, and it's not something I'm proud to have or explain on my CV. It's cruel how much money these people throw away, but we were misled into thinking it was real. I wouldn't have taken this position to support such a scumbag.

What is cruel is I am having to file bankruptcy because of this.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you've invested that much into something you're not very likely to suddenly decide to make that sort of strategic blunder for giggles.

You must really not know me (or a lot of people).

The people who would say something like that are also unlikely to not say something long enough to get to such a position.

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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post #44

Being an executive at a (substantially smaller) SaaS startup I have no idea how having up to 90% of your revenue be fabricated could happen without others knowing: - where are the contracts corresponding to revenue? Yeah they are SaaS focused on SMB but this is a financial product, there will be contracts, NDAs, etc - if the majority of the customers are fake there is such little load on the system. How does engineer…

Have you seen $GSX, a publicly traded $20B stock on Nasdaq that claims it's growing faster than early Google or Facebook and has been the subject of 5-6 short seller reports and an ongoing SEC investigation?

PE ratio of over 500... oof

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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post #28

> It seems ironic that the co-founder of a company designed to prevent online fraud would engage in fraudulent activity himself I don't find that ironic at all. Having worked in the security space for a long time, it seems like the best people in the business are the ones who would be great at committing the crimes if not for their own morality. Someone with a weak sense of morals could easily turn to evil.

Well, it is a cyber fraud startup. They didn't lie about that.

Reminiscent of Jesse's advice to Walt about a "criminal lawyer".

Re: CEO of Cyber Fraud Startup NS8 Arrested by FBI, Facing Fraud Charges

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Being an executive at a (substantially smaller) SaaS startup I have no idea how having up to 90% of your revenue be fabricated could happen without others knowing: - where are the contracts corresponding to revenue? Yeah they are SaaS focused on SMB but this is a financial product, there will be contracts, NDAs, etc - if the majority of the customers are fake there is such little load on the system. How does engineer…

People see what they expect to see. This could be accomplished by lying at every step of the way and by fabricating audit results. It lasts until it doesn't, and that's apparently what happened here.
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