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Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by Pxtl »

roywiggins wrote: post #21
brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

For every death, there's an unknown number of people with severe, long-lasting effects that aren't currently captured in any statistics. Just ask Richard Quest. There's many, many more like him. This thing seems to do long-term damage to people, even people with "mild" courses of disease that don't even send them to hospital. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/richard-quest-covid-we...

This.

I have lung damage from sloppy drywall mudding without a mask and overusing an orbital sander. It was my first time doing a large-scale drywall project, like 15 years ago.

Let me tell you, it sucks. I have borderline asthma now. When it gets bad the wheezing sounds like an accordion in my throat and keeps me up half the night. On bad days I can taste the lung damage. When I do physical exercise I hack like a dying smoker.

This is mild lung damage. And it does not heal fully - it's a "rest of my life" thing. As I understand it, this is what many Covid survivors have to look forwards to.

Buy stock in corticosteroid inhaler manufacturers.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by ReptileMan »

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #16
brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

I really wish people (not you) would stop pushing the idea that death is the only consequence of COVID. Three different NFL players have said their lungs still aren't recovered and they're still getting winded months after having COVID. These are people in their 30s and younger and in some of the best fitness in the world. Plenty of stories of blood clotting leading to many other issues in the general population duri…

>These are people in their 30s and younger and in some of the best fitness in the world.

Professional athletes are known to be playing fast and loose with performance enhancing substances. So I am not sure that fitness and healthy are synonymous for them.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by evgen »

Press2forEN wrote: post #47
braythwayt wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you an epidemiologist? Physician specializing in blood and/or respiratory diseases? Failing that, have you scoured the available literature with a completely open mind, and can summarize the arguments ranging from taking this incredibly seriously to blowing it off as just a "flu?" Or have you seen one or two essays that seem persuasive, and quote the studies that happen to support the argument the author's wish t…

It is quite possible for someone to have all the credentials you specified and still agree with OP. Trying to credential-shame someone out of the conversation doesn't help anyone.

Then find them and quote them.

We have enough problems dealing with the noise without the ignorant and uninformed jumping in with their convenient hot-takes. I _am_ going to credential-shame them, because this is not a time when we need to listen to idiots and amateurs -- it is time for those people to sit down and shut up.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

catalogia wrote: post #59
Pxtl wrote: post #23

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They tried that in Sweden and ended up killing a bunch of people.

Assuming an effective vaccine doesn't come anytime soon, which thusfar seems a safe assumption, other countries will have many deaths as well, just spread out more over the coming months/year[s?]. A flattened curve has the same area under it.

Not the same 'died because of insufficient facilities' curve, not at all. Flattening is so healthcare capacity is not exceeded. Not-flattening has dire consequence, far beyond 'the same area under the curve'. Its the peaks of the curve that trigger the consequences.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by MiroF »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #39
midrus wrote: post #9

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Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

Not to be insensitive, but we can’t assume a vaccine will be developed. Flattening the curve of infection (under this assumption) still has a similar area under the curve... (i.e. people are going to get infected, people are going to die because the virus is not going away).

Well the original attempt was to close to eliminate it, like many of our peer nations have done. Since we've failed at that, it's going to be touch and go so that we flatten it.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by ceejayoz »

brink wrote: post #43
znpy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hysteria is about hospital saturation. People recover, but a lot of people recover after spending a long time under intensive care and breathing machines (which are available in a limited quantity). So if a lot of people get sick at the same time then a lot of them will die just because there are not enough beds and intensive care units available. Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious.

> Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious. So is type 2 diabetes, so are traffic deaths, so is terrorism, so are heart attacks. All of which are somewhat preventable.

Mostly not contagious, though.

1k heart attacks aren't likely to spread to 2k additional people in a matter of a few days.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by fzeroracer »

brink wrote: post #43
znpy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hysteria is about hospital saturation. People recover, but a lot of people recover after spending a long time under intensive care and breathing machines (which are available in a limited quantity). So if a lot of people get sick at the same time then a lot of them will die just because there are not enough beds and intensive care units available. Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious.

> Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious. So is type 2 diabetes, so are traffic deaths, so is terrorism, so are heart attacks. All of which are somewhat preventable.

I'm pretty sure we'd be in mass hysteria too if it turned out heart attacks or diabetes is contagious.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by sergioj97 »

brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Just wanted to note that while in your county the deaths from covid haven't exceeded (yet) 1% of infected, the article you link to states that in Italy, 8% of the infected have died (even though it acknowledges that this is higher than in other countries).

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by [deleted] »

brink wrote: post #43
znpy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hysteria is about hospital saturation. People recover, but a lot of people recover after spending a long time under intensive care and breathing machines (which are available in a limited quantity). So if a lot of people get sick at the same time then a lot of them will die just because there are not enough beds and intensive care units available. Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious.

> Dude don't be dismissive, this shit is serious. So is type 2 diabetes, so are traffic deaths, so is terrorism, so are heart attacks. All of which are somewhat preventable.

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Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by gizmo »

midrus wrote: post #9
brink wrote: post #4

Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

We didn't lock down for the Hong Kong flu or similar pandemics, because the damage caused by a lockdown is immense. Health damage caused by delayed cancer screenings and organ transplants. Psychological damage caused by lockdown and unemployment. Unbelievable economic damage. How to respond to a pandemic is a trade-off.

People die in traffic accidents every day. Do we set a nation-wide speed limit of 5 MPH? No. Of course not. We accept that the benefit of travel are worth it, and we strive to make travel safer because every death is a tragedy. That's a balanced approach. For mild pandemics we should also seek such a balanced approach where we protect the old and the vulnerable and let everybody else live life as normal.

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