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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by threeseed »

raxxorrax wrote: post #37
thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hope people don't forget that Wikileaks has never once published anything that has been proven false. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/885395248612085760 He has helped launder edited material from Russian state sponsored hackers in the past. That is one instance, should I find more?

The whole Russian story was a scam. We have documents saying that is was told to abuse FISA powers. Not that I like the persons it was employed against, but it is far larger than watergate if we had honest discussion about it. If you still talk about Russia, you have been fooled immensely and for me it is beyond comprehension how anyone could earnestly believe that story arc. You are spreading lies.

There is so much to talk about with Russia though.

a) Widespread evidence not just from US but from UK and EU of efforts to interfere in elections and referenda e.g. Brexit.

b) State sponsored propaganda via social networks which even as recent as last week was having to be removed.

c) Continued meetings between Trump and Putin where only translators are present i.e. no State Dept representatives.

d) 20+ years of Trump Organization taking loans from Russian oligarchs via Bayrock.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by JoeSmithson »

nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

Assange is not in solitary confinement, please don't spread falsehoods

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by dijit »

thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #49
nickysielicki wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A one-off tweet from a wikileaks twitter account about some other organization publishing something questionable is not at all the same as the document dumps that wikileaks publishes and puts their name behind. I'm obviously talking about the latter. I think it says something that this is the best you can come up with.

>I think it says something that this is the best you can come up with. Hi I can basically see you sneering with a "gotcha" face through that text. Sorry but Assange's history of leak revisionism, favoring Russia specifically, is deep. When Assange was working with "Anon" who was really an FBI snitch, he accepted files hacked from Syria. When they were released they were missing information about Russia including bank…

Ugh, don't make me do this:

Selectively releasing documents is not the same as releasing something later proven to be false, which is what the GP asserted.

FWIW you could play devils advocate here and say that wikileaks could not independently verify the omitted things; but I'm not going to go there because it's conjecture. Just as your suggestion that it's collusion with Russia, however likely, is also conjecture.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by Traster »

raxxorrax wrote: post #51
Traster wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every account of Assange shows a deeply flawed man. Even the generous ones - and whilst he was painted as a freedom fighter for a short period, I'm not convinced that was ever due to anything more than his agenda accidentally aligning with pro government accountability campaigners for a very short time. Also, it seems unlikely there was ever anything to wikileaks beyond Assange - that's certainly what his colleagues…

I find this fascinating. You excuse a state apparatus who you are responsible for as a democratic voter. That state apparatus had clear interests in a certain region and fabricated evidence to justify a war. And you moan about character flaws of someone who helped get evidence of misbehavior to the public? Seriously? No other problems? edit: You know that intelligence agencies try to discredit dissidents and make up…

Sorry what? At what point did i excuse anything the state has done? I didn't even mention the state, I talked about Assange. Also, I'm not moaning about him, I'm just talking candidly about who he is, and that's not based on some massive government conspiracy its based on the accounts of the people who have worked with him - people who also risked their livelihoods to publish the early leaks.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by henearkr »

hardlianotion wrote: post #53
henearkr wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you're right. But the pressure to do so comes from the US all the same... You're right that what's happening in UK with Assange is very disturbing... I followed Craig Murray's blog posts.

Assange is in prison in the UK because he skipped bail.

That's not what I am upset about.

First of all, why had he to skip this bail at all.

All of his suspicions about the first sex offense case being a pretense to extradite him were confirmed.

And then, the way he is treated in the UK tribunal, like a slaughterer scum of the worst kind, denied all dignity, is revolting.

If you had not seen the Craig Murray reports, I would warmly advise you to give them a look, they are rich in details.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by kekebo »

JoeSmithson wrote: post #62
nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

Assange is not in solitary confinement, please don't spread falsehoods

He used to be until end of january this year. While outdated it's not a falsehood per se.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by nickysielicki »

JoeSmithson wrote: post #62
nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

Assange is not in solitary confinement, please don't spread falsehoods

Thanks for this, I hadn't seen the news that he had been moved out of solitary confinement. I'm happy to be wrong, that's good news. I'll edit the parent comment.

> Jailed WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is no longer being kept in solitary confinement and his health is improving, his spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson told reporters on Tuesday.

- Feb. 2020 [1]

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-assange/wikileaks...

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by nkurz »

enraged_camel wrote: post #58
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only conclusion I can raise from people like yourself who argue Julian Assange be imprisoned is that you welcome ignorance. You genuinely wish to not know what powerful people are behaving in this world. And that conclusion is in many ways scarier to me than the fact that he is being prosecuted for the crime of journalism.

This is a ridiculously bad faith allegation. Is that really the only conclusion you can raise?

You're right, but your argument would be stronger if you could offer some alternatives. What other conclusions would you suggest?

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by enriquto »

Traster wrote: post #46
thatlongthrow1 wrote: post #19

Wikileaks used to be something, then Assange decided to filter leaks based on whatever biases he felt that day. He alienated a lot of his initial supporters doing this, focusing only on leaking content from "the west." Later fully engaging with state sponsored hackers to meddle in the US election[1] while again ignoring any leaks about Russia[2] and friends. As far as I can tell there is nothing left of Wikileaks, it…

Every account of Assange shows a deeply flawed man. Even the generous ones - and whilst he was painted as a freedom fighter for a short period, I'm not convinced that was ever due to anything more than his agenda accidentally aligning with pro government accountability campaigners for a very short time. Also, it seems unlikely there was ever anything to wikileaks beyond Assange - that's certainly what his colleagues…

> Every account of Assange shows a deeply flawed man.

All humans are deeply flawed, but just some of them get to change the world for the better. That is certainly the case for Julian Assange.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by JoeSmithson »

moomin wrote: post #5

Hang on, did they just accuse Chelsea Manning of attempting to hack computer systems? Is that a new allegation? To the best of my knowledge she only ever used access she already had, not attempted privilege escalation. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

I don't think this is new, she is suspected of sharing a password hash that JA tried to help break. This was the original basis for JA's extradition

e.g. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrew...

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