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post #52

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The part where you talk more about how you're going to program than actually Programming, Motherfucker.

Who does that? I don't know anyone that actually does XP that does that. There's no such thing as XP certification, and I have never seen an XP class offered. There's not even an XP conference anymore.

> There's not even an XP conference anymore.

I wonder why?

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"The path of the righteous programmer is beset on all sides by the inequities of the clueless and the tyranny of evil project managers. Blessed is he, who in the name of achievement and solid technology, shepherds the users through the valley of ineptitude, for he is truly his customer's keeper and the finder of lost solutions. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would at…

But...Zed's dead.

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Does Programming, Motherfucker really scale though? Every process listed is about teams of people Programming Together, Motherfucker. I've seen two people engaged in Programming, Motherfucker without Talking to Eachother, Motherfucker and the results were Disastrous, Motherfucker.

That's Hacking, Douchebag. This is Programming, Motherfucker.

Why is it I'm expecting a partnership with /b/ and an endowment from GNAA?

Oh look, a feature short by Goatse Man and 2girls1cup.

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post #43

The fact that I agree with all of this just makes me sadder at how it was presented. Thanks for building a handy straw man for the methodology developers to attack. I flagged this --- it's virtually content free --- but that's a futile gesture given how susceptible HN is to this particular form of social engineering.

I'm not sure how this is content free. It's offering up a gateway to a discussion/criticism of a lot of crufty-methodologies. Opinionated and vulgar maybe, but it is still about software, hacking, and maybe even business.

If it wasn't plain as day that Zed was serious about this, (a) I wouldn't be voted as high as it was, and (b) I wouldn't have commented on it.

I just wish he hadn't built a caricature.

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Does Programming, Motherfucker really scale though? Every process listed is about teams of people Programming Together, Motherfucker. I've seen two people engaged in Programming, Motherfucker without Talking to Eachother, Motherfucker and the results were Disastrous, Motherfucker.

Nothing really scales. There is no process that will allow 100 hacks to make a Michelangelo, if you want a Michelangelo you're going to have to fucking hire him. If this bullshit really worked then corporate IT departments would be the envy of every startup out there.

If your software is late/buggy/whatever the solution is rarely adding people / process. It's usually removing people / process. Process is what allows managers to fuck up projects.

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post #52

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The part where you talk more about how you're going to program than actually Programming, Motherfucker.

Who does that? I don't know anyone that actually does XP that does that. There's no such thing as XP certification, and I have never seen an XP class offered. There's not even an XP conference anymore.

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Programming is a subset of software engineering. A large number of important disciplines surround programming, including ones that just join one programmer's output to another. To state that you can get by solely with programming is foolish if you are tackling a problem of any complexity. Of course, reducing the overhead and improving the morale of developers is always a good thing, but somehow I don't think this is…

Stop trying to be all boring and rational. We are busy ecstatically voting up an article in which Zed Shaw says "motherfucker!" numerous times, providing much mirth for all. Next up are funny cat pictures.

I know this goes against the old guard, but I'd much rather laugh at a post like this once in a while than have HN be serious and dry, every day, every submission. That's never going to happen, but I haven't gotten as much amusement out of a HN item and its threads in a long time, and that's of value to me.

It's an outright tragedy that any lighthearted submission immediately brings out people replying "flagged!" and lamenting that HN is turning into Reddit.

Kudos to Zed for pulling it off. If only it had been Lighten Up, Motherfuckers.

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post #52

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Who does that? I don't know anyone that actually does XP that does that. There's no such thing as XP certification, and I have never seen an XP class offered. There's not even an XP conference anymore.

http://xp2011.org/

That's interesting. I hadn't heard of it.
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