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Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by yellowapple »

heldupathome wrote: post #13

I think it’s a disgrace that the Chinese government hasn’t apologized for 1.) keeping wet market open 2.) silencing whistleblower doctor that would have stopped a pandemic 3.) letting 5 million people leave Wuhan 4.) pressuring WHO to not recommend border shutdown against China - Conjecture 5.) silencing whistleblowers inside China and around the world 6.) at one point, was surfacing propagandas that the virus didn’t…

China's Supreme Court did somewhat apologize-without-actually-saying-sorry re: point #2 (by admitting that authorities should've taken Dr. Li's "rumors" about it looking like SARS seriously instead of trying to shut him up). This would also apply to point #5 (which seems to be a duplicate of #2, really).

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by asclepi »

darawk wrote: post #6

It's important not to demonize Chinese people here. However, it's at the very least equally important to ensure that their agricultural practices stop producing these pandemic viruses. This is not the first one. Not even close. This is not one of those things that could have happened anywhere and the Chinese were simply unlucky. This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices and it is extremely importan…

I agree, demonizing the Chinese people is the worst thing anyone can do. They didn't want this virus either, but they taught us how we can contain it, and they paid the price with countless human lives.

The CCP is the one that needs to be made responsible. However, they will label any attempt from the west as racism towards the Chinese, to avoid having to take up that responsibility.

Change will only happen when it doesn't look like the CCP is losing face by listening to what the west is dictating. Economic sanctions are the alternative, but that would threaten the supply of cheap Chinese labor.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by misiti3780 »

derefr wrote: post #15

So, what’s the difference between a “wet market” and the sort of familiar farmer’s market of butchers/fishmongers/etc. that five-star restaurants source from all over the world? This article seems to be doing a motte-and-bailey of grossing you out with things that are just “regular meat wholesaler things” (e.g. fresh meat sitting out on ice without refrigeration) and then moralizing about the specific kinds of meats…

This video explains the difference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=98&v=TPpoJGYlW54...

Wet markets should be banned because they contain endangered species and the vendors are committing horrible animal rights abuses, oh and they are responsible for multiple corona viruses too.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by RC_ITR »

liquidise wrote: post #42
vecter wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese Government is an authoritarian regime. Agree that it's terrible, but of course they won't apologize for anything.

This comment is frankly lacking substance. Generally accepted, binary thinking like this is exactly the kind HN is best without.

"I an enlightened centrist would like to see some facts about why authoritarianism is bad"

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by saber6 »

liquidise wrote: post #42
vecter wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese Government is an authoritarian regime. Agree that it's terrible, but of course they won't apologize for anything.

This comment is frankly lacking substance. Generally accepted, binary thinking like this is exactly the kind HN is best without.

Fuck off back to China you pissant.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by Kenji »

_jal wrote: post #34
heldupathome wrote: post #13

I think it’s a disgrace that the Chinese government hasn’t apologized for 1.) keeping wet market open 2.) silencing whistleblower doctor that would have stopped a pandemic 3.) letting 5 million people leave Wuhan 4.) pressuring WHO to not recommend border shutdown against China - Conjecture 5.) silencing whistleblowers inside China and around the world 6.) at one point, was surfacing propagandas that the virus didn’t…

(6) is a direct response to the White House's continued use of 'Wuhan virus', 'Kung Flu' and other racist/shitty deflection garbage. I'm not defending it, but it isn't happening in a vacuum.

How is calling it "Wuhan Virus" racist? It's literally the truth. I mean, the Spanish flu is also called the Spanish flu, and nobody's complaining.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by kccqzy »

derefr wrote: post #15

So, what’s the difference between a “wet market” and the sort of familiar farmer’s market of butchers/fishmongers/etc. that five-star restaurants source from all over the world? This article seems to be doing a motte-and-bailey of grossing you out with things that are just “regular meat wholesaler things” (e.g. fresh meat sitting out on ice without refrigeration) and then moralizing about the specific kinds of meats…

> So, what’s the difference between a “wet market” and the sort of familiar farmer’s market of butchers/fishmongers/etc. that five-star restaurants source from all over the world?

That's exactly the question I have. How are these Chinese markets fundamentally different from, say, the Japanese Tsukiji fish market? Taking a look at pictures like https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vendors_begin_sell... it doesn't strike me as very much different from the Chinese wet markets.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by evgen »

_jal wrote: post #34
heldupathome wrote: post #13

I think it’s a disgrace that the Chinese government hasn’t apologized for 1.) keeping wet market open 2.) silencing whistleblower doctor that would have stopped a pandemic 3.) letting 5 million people leave Wuhan 4.) pressuring WHO to not recommend border shutdown against China - Conjecture 5.) silencing whistleblowers inside China and around the world 6.) at one point, was surfacing propagandas that the virus didn’t…

(6) is a direct response to the White House's continued use of 'Wuhan virus', 'Kung Flu' and other racist/shitty deflection garbage. I'm not defending it, but it isn't happening in a vacuum.

Sorry to be the bearer of an unpleasant reality, but the latter racist phrasing is far more recent than the attempts by the CCP to spread propaganda about this virus being a US army bio-weapon (which started weeks ago) and calling it the 'Wuhan virus' may be provocative but is not inaccurate.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Post by enchiridion »

Traster wrote: post #21

The phrase I really liked for these sort of articles are 'Intellectual zambonis". Here come the right wing intellectuals to buff over the rampant xenophobia and put a sheen of intellectual justification behind it. Let us be clear about this: A 'wet market' is > a market selling fresh meat, fish, produce, and other perishable goods as distinguished from "dry markets" which sell durable goods such as fabric and electro…

Keeping live animals for long periods of times in close proximity to food is a recipe for pandemics. This is the 4th caused under such circumstances in recent memory.

Closing the markets is the most straightforward solution. We must be decisive about this, it's the only reasonable option.

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