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Dow Falls 2997 points worst drop since 1987 crash

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Re: Dow Falls 2997 points worst drop since 1987 crash

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Worst drop ever for the Nasdaq Index today: -12%. These aren't 1, 2 or 3 standard-deviation events... these are more like 6 or 7 standard-deviations from the mean...

If you're experiencing 6 sigma events daily, your modelling is wrong.

It's "wrong" because the stock market doesn't follow a normal distribution but instead a power law.

Re: Dow Falls 2997 points worst drop since 1987 crash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s possible to tell the difference between volatility and things picking back up. Somebody trying to follow this advice might have bought on Friday when the market went up.

The market is likely to go much higher than friday in the coming decades.

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Re: Dow Falls 2997 points worst drop since 1987 crash

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I'm quite surprised by this because it was my understanding that companies were doing us a favor by employing most people. That they were forestalling replacing us with robots by paying us near subsistence wages. I'm very confused. On the one hand I have all the things I've been reading in the papers about workers being superfluous. But yet on the other hand when I just look at the evidence, it seems like companies r…

Consumer spending is kind of the foundation of the economy, and as of today in the US it's about to go into freefall. Especially services. This fall is pricing in the inevitable waves of bankruptcies in the service industry.

Why don't the fed just print money, a program could order stuff on amazon and they could deliver it to a land fill (obviously the landfill would have to be automated by robots).

for services they could just automate making bookings with a deposit and not show up. or a little zoomba vacuum thing could show up.

wouldn't be inflationary as cash is being destroyed like mad as we are all replaced by robots, so that won't be a problem.

Re: Dow Falls 2997 points worst drop since 1987 crash

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Just my 2 cents - Take your assets out of the market. Until we (in the US) see a few senators, a justice or two and / or the VP/president/etc succumb to the disease we haven’t hit peak panic. ~50% of the workforce is about to be out of a job for a few weeks. A large portion of Restaurants are about to go bankrupt, daycares are about to go bankrupt. Houses are about to drop in price (no money, and elderly dying). The…

I'm pretty sure banks aren't going to start folding. The Fed is ahead of the curve this time (or at least not nearly as far behind it as in 2008). They seem to be pretty serious about doing whatever is needed to keep things from falling apart.

Re: Dow Falls 2997 points worst drop since 1987 crash

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All of the return-seeking money that pushed up asset prices in the first place is still out there, because stock market crashes don't destroy money (they just redistribute it). I wonder who has it now, and I also wonder when it will end up back in the market.

I was under the impression that the money supply can contract since most of it is in the form of debts and asset valuations and not in cash. If my house is worth $1 million but then because of a recession, less people are interested in buying houses and its price goes down to $500k, where did that money go?

Re: Dow Falls 2997 points worst drop since 1987 crash

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To put it into perspective, the last time the market behaved like (multiple drops of this magnitude) this was 90 years ago, in 1929, and it was at the start of the Great Depression. Today was the second largest percentage drop for US Markets in history. Now is not a good time to sell your stock holdings (at least not anymore). This smells of a panic right now. I think a severe recession is all but guaranteed at this…

Your first two paragraphs are severe contradictions. If this is anything like 1929, the bottom will be around 340, after retesting highs from 1987. In that case, 2400 SPX is a bargain sell and still getting out near the top in the scheme of things.

Even if this is only a relatively mild recession like 2000 or 1973, we'll be seeing 1600 - 1700 SPX or at least 30% below today's close.

Re: Dow Falls 2997 points worst drop since 1987 crash

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. I'm 21 -- I have 30 to 40 years to weather this storm. For people of similar age, you could not ask for a shallower entry into the market, albeit a tumultuous one.

It's not so shallow, the stock market is still bubbly, these are the prices of mid 2017, when everyone said that the stock market is a bubble...

To add further perspective: The S&P is just below where it was in December of 2018. Do you still have the same optimism about the US (and even the world) economy now than you did then?

For me, the answer is a resounding No.

Re: Dow Falls 2997 points worst drop since 1987 crash

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I am not well versed in the economics of depressions, but almost all the ones I know of were preceded by some monetary imbalance or the explosion of a bubble based on falsely propped up ownings. 1929 was stock being leveraged off mortgaged homes and loans, that was clearly no sustainable. 2000 was the dot com burst. 2008 was mass defaults on home loans. Is there any reason why apart from slow business for 2 months du…

Many people think the world is rife with real estate bubbles, definitely in china if you don’t think there is a big one in the USA. The stock market rose very quickly with respect to earnings as well, and we’ve had over a decade of very low interest rates world wide, leading to lots of debt both private and public.

Re: Dow Falls 2997 points worst drop since 1987 crash

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post #53

To put it into perspective, the last time the market behaved like (multiple drops of this magnitude) this was 90 years ago, in 1929, and it was at the start of the Great Depression. Today was the second largest percentage drop for US Markets in history. Now is not a good time to sell your stock holdings (at least not anymore). This smells of a panic right now. I think a severe recession is all but guaranteed at this…

If you think recession is guaranteed, why not sell?

If this drop is related to a panic sell off, then it's deeper drop than it needs to be. If you sell now, you might be selling in a panic low and locking in your losses.

If. Make your own decisions.

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