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Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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Post by lbeltrame »

downerending wrote: post #27

Might not sound like it, but the fact that they're taking this seriously is good news. If there are cases in New Rochelle, probably large numbers of other commuters taking the New Haven line down into Manhattan have been exposed. We need to start practicing on what's coming, and right now, China's looking like the most successful model.

> We need to start practicing on what's coming, and right now, China's looking like the most successful model.

I truly can't believe how many people (including in my own hard hit country) praise the "Wuhan model" made by an authoritarian state. There are other successful models like the one in South Korea (after the disaster with that church, not before), which are far less authoritarian.

It's really true that vigilance needs to be kept up at all times, lest our freedom be taken away (and I don't mean not doing quarantine or lockdowns: I mean limitations of freedom "for your own good because you don't understand").

Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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Post by TMWNN »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #20
smacktoward wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CDC completely dropped the ball on providing test kits, so all the individual states and localities have had to source them themselves. Which, entirely predictably, they are not doing a great job at. It didn't help matters either that those test kits the CDC did provide early on turned out to have flaws that caused inaccurate readings (see https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/after-missteps-cd... ).

To reemphasize: the president fired the chain of command for handling pandemics and did not replace them. There is much more detailed information out there on it, but even Snopes rates it as a "True" https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/ Considering CDC recommendations have been overruled at the executive level (HHS/cruise ship repatriation, which may have caused the CA cluster due to insufficie…

>To reemphasize: the president fired the chain of command for handling pandemics and did not replace them

There's a reason the Snopes piece is mostly based off a Twitter thread. If you actually read the NBC News and Washington Post articles the Snopes piece cites later, they describe the action as part of moving people to related departments as part of the new National Security Advisor's desire to restructure the hierarchy, and the head of the dedicated team resigning after not getting his desire to keep the team the way it was. Not "fired the chain of command".

COVID19 was not a surprise; that is, it was known to exist in China some time before the first cases appeared in the US. It is not unreasonable for a government to assemble a team to respond to something like a pandemic as needed, as opposed to having people dedicated solely to the purpose and nothing else.

You may or may not agree with this. But please don't claim that this is somehow prima facie proof of the Trump administration's malfeasance/evilness.

Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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Post by TMWNN »

paulmd wrote: post #18
taborj wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've not been keeping up; what's the obstacle to getting tested? Insurance companies not covering? Hospitals not willing? Patients not going in?

This board doesn't like politics but frankly it is the administration. They fired the CDC's pandemic response teams a couple years ago because they didn't want to fund it. They don't like admitting there's a crisis because it looks bad for them, they want to sweep the whole thing under the rug. That has translated into the administration stopping the CDC from doing their jobs, whether implicitly ("if you make this in…

>This board doesn't like politics but frankly it is the administration. They fired the CDC's pandemic response teams a couple years ago because they didn't want to fund it.

There's a reason the Snopes https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/ piece that calls this claim "true" is based on a Twitter thread. If you actually read the NBC News and Washington Post articles the Snopes piece cites later, they describe the action as part of moving people to related departments as part of the new National Security Advisor's desire to have his own hierarchy, and the head of the dedicated team resigning after not getting his desire to keep the team the way it was.

COVID19 was not a surprise; that is, it was known to exist in China some time before the first cases appeared in the US. It is not unreasonable for a government to assemble a team to respond to something like a pandemic as needed, as opposed to having people dedicated solely to the purpose and nothing else.

You may or may not agree with this. But please don't claim that this is somehow prima facie proof of the Trump administration's malfeasance/evilness.

Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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Post by ta999999171 »

catacombs wrote: post #48
fgonzag wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically impossible to quarantine entire cities in a democracy, especially with an election coming up. I mean, you can , but it's going to cost you so much political capital that you'll be out of the game entirely. And I don't see many politicians willing to put their jobs on the line for it.

> I mean, you can, but it's going to cost you so much political capital that you'll be out of the game entirely. And I don't see many politicians willing to put their jobs on the line for it. Jesus. Putting people's lives at risk, just so you can keep your government job? How low can we can go?

Are you new?

Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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Post by cmurf »

malandrew wrote: post #59
cmurf wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about markets vs government. It's about competency versus incompetency. South Korea has far more testing than about any country, it's not due to letting markets do their thing. It's due to competency: they had an imagination for this situation, from experience, and had a plan to deal with it, should it happen again. We have examples of authoritarian and democratic governments, some do the right thing, some d…

With markets, you have an opportunity to discover and reward competency. With government, you have all your eggs in one basket and if that basket isn't competent, you're shit out of luck.

With markets, you have an opportunity to discover conglomeration and monopolies who reward themselves. With government, you have elections, and if that doesn't work, well maybe you have an incompetent society, and all you have is luck.

Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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Post by catacombs »

ta999999171 wrote: post #64
catacombs wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, you can, but it's going to cost you so much political capital that you'll be out of the game entirely. And I don't see many politicians willing to put their jobs on the line for it. Jesus. Putting people's lives at risk, just so you can keep your government job? How low can we can go?

Are you new?

> created: 4 months ago

Nah. You must be new.

Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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Post by yourapostasy »

smacktoward wrote: post #8
taborj wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've not been keeping up; what's the obstacle to getting tested? Insurance companies not covering? Hospitals not willing? Patients not going in?

The CDC completely dropped the ball on providing test kits, so all the individual states and localities have had to source them themselves. Which, entirely predictably, they are not doing a great job at. It didn't help matters either that those test kits the CDC did provide early on turned out to have flaws that caused inaccurate readings (see https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/after-missteps-cd... ).

I've seen discussions of the faulty reagent (which happens, it's a production rollout under lots of stress and pressure). I've also seen through Foreign Policy Garrett's assertion that the Chinese-manufactured tests were rendering "up to" a 50% false negative rate, sometimes requiring 8 tests to render a valid result [1].

What I've yet to see is substantiation of claims online that because of what Garrett reported upon, the CDC chose to create its own PCR test instead of relying upon the Chinese version. If anyone can help me substantiate that, then that would be most welcome as it would explain a fair chunk of the CDC delays.

For awhile, I dropped into the rabbit hole of contemplating building my own PCR thermocycler and buying my own RT-qPCR supermix to try to run my own tests, then I acknowledged I didn't know what the hell I was thinking.

[1] https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/15/coronavirus-xi-jinping-...

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