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New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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# of test kits. The US can currently test something like 7800 people per day as of yesterday. Some other system constraints to think about are: 1M hospital beds 70k ventilators

I don't know if this is still true but according to an article I read a few days ago, the US has the lowest testing rate of any affected country. Experiences of other countries seem to suggest that high testing rate may mitigate the need for measures like lockdowns.

By an order of magnitude: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-testing-covid-19...

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I've not been keeping up; what's the obstacle to getting tested? Insurance companies not covering? Hospitals not willing? Patients not going in?

The CDC completely dropped the ball on providing test kits, so all the individual states and localities have had to source them themselves. Which, entirely predictably, they are not doing a great job at. It didn't help matters either that those test kits the CDC did provide early on turned out to have flaws that caused inaccurate readings (see https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/after-missteps-cd... ).

From my understanding, state and local labs HAVE been able to source them. The CDC has been refusing to authorize them for testing.

Univ. of Washington seems to be an outlier as they were able to get approval under an existing research study they have.

Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if this is still true but according to an article I read a few days ago, the US has the lowest testing rate of any affected country. Experiences of other countries seem to suggest that high testing rate may mitigate the need for measures like lockdowns.

By an order of magnitude: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-testing-covid-19...

CDC also stopped reporting number of tests each day (last week iirc).

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Here on nearby Long Island cases are popping up all over the place with no known links to other diagnosed cases, including 2 school bus drivers. Despite this, barely anyone is being tested, even those who are symptomatic. This crisis is being terribly mishandled. https://www.fox5ny.com/news/two-long-island-bus-drivers-diag...

I've not been keeping up; what's the obstacle to getting tested? Insurance companies not covering? Hospitals not willing? Patients not going in?

The CDC was restricting who could get tested up until a few days ago.

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Here on nearby Long Island cases are popping up all over the place with no known links to other diagnosed cases, including 2 school bus drivers. Despite this, barely anyone is being tested, even those who are symptomatic. This crisis is being terribly mishandled. https://www.fox5ny.com/news/two-long-island-bus-drivers-diag...

I've not been keeping up; what's the obstacle to getting tested? Insurance companies not covering? Hospitals not willing? Patients not going in?

A laughable shortage of test kits. Combined with a CDC ban on third-party testing that was recently lifted.

The retirement home in Kirkland that had 18 deaths from the virus over the last 2 weeks currently has ~30 patients in the ICU... Who still have not been tested for the virus.

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I've not been keeping up; what's the obstacle to getting tested? Insurance companies not covering? Hospitals not willing? Patients not going in?

This administration sticking their heads in the sand and the CDC also either not being prepared or executing their prep horrendously.

It's actually worse than the administration just sticking their heads in the sand. The President has made multiple public statements where he's said his main objective in this is to keep the number of reported cases as low as possible. Every bureaucrat in the system is going to know exactly what that means: extensive testing will only surface more cases, so anyone who pushes for more testing will be performing what I heard described when I worked for the Air Force as "a career-limiting manuever."

A head-in-the-sand approach would at least be neutral. The administration has gone beyond that to actively putting a thumb on the scale.

(Ironically, this is the same type of "nobody ever prospered by upsetting The Boss" problem that lots of people were dunking on China for having a few weeks ago. The degree to which our supposedly open system has become vulnerable to it too should give us all a moment of pause.)

Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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Here on nearby Long Island cases are popping up all over the place with no known links to other diagnosed cases, including 2 school bus drivers. Despite this, barely anyone is being tested, even those who are symptomatic. This crisis is being terribly mishandled. https://www.fox5ny.com/news/two-long-island-bus-drivers-diag...

I've not been keeping up; what's the obstacle to getting tested? Insurance companies not covering? Hospitals not willing? Patients not going in?

This board doesn't like politics but frankly it is the administration. They fired the CDC's pandemic response teams a couple years ago because they didn't want to fund it. They don't like admitting there's a crisis because it looks bad for them, they want to sweep the whole thing under the rug. That has translated into the administration stopping the CDC from doing their jobs, whether implicitly ("if you make this into a big deal, we'll find someone else who is more willing to align with the administrations positions") or explicitly (stuff like cutting the funding for the CDC pandemic response teams).

It's basically the same thing as when Trump drew the hurricane on the map to an area where it wasn't going, and then fired all the people at the NWS who corrected him. Sticking your neck out and stating the emperor has no clothes is a fast track to getting replaced by someone who will play ball. Trump is exceptionally petty and has some paranoia that there is a “deep state” trying to undercut him. He doesn’t accept that these are professionals trying to do their jobs, because he is a moron who thinks he knows everything, better than the experts, and they are just trying to undermine him and make him look bad.

Trump is a uniquely stupid and incurious president, and he has absolutely no interest in listening to experts. The only people he allows to be around him are yes-men. He doesn’t understand what’s going on, and he doesn’t particularly care insofar as it makes him look bad, and tanks the stock market (makes him look bad).

Even Boris fucking Johnson is astonished by how bad the administration’s response has been.

In short - we elected a narcissistic, incurious, anti-intellectual, paranoid con man to be president, he is now facing a real, serious crisis, and he’s busy purging the career professionals that we need to be solving this crisis. He is that boss who can’t stand not being “the smartest guy in the room” even when he has no idea what he’s talking about, and he’s in charge of managing our response to basically Spanish Flu 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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I've not been keeping up; what's the obstacle to getting tested? Insurance companies not covering? Hospitals not willing? Patients not going in?

This board doesn't like politics but frankly it is the administration. They fired the CDC's pandemic response teams a couple years ago because they didn't want to fund it. They don't like admitting there's a crisis because it looks bad for them, they want to sweep the whole thing under the rug. That has translated into the administration stopping the CDC from doing their jobs, whether implicitly ("if you make this in…

This is all correct, and it's going to be downvoted because tribalism is more important than not getting a potentially fatal disease.

Re: New York deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've not been keeping up; what's the obstacle to getting tested? Insurance companies not covering? Hospitals not willing? Patients not going in?

The CDC completely dropped the ball on providing test kits, so all the individual states and localities have had to source them themselves. Which, entirely predictably, they are not doing a great job at. It didn't help matters either that those test kits the CDC did provide early on turned out to have flaws that caused inaccurate readings (see https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/after-missteps-cd... ).

To reemphasize: the president fired the chain of command for handling pandemics and did not replace them. There is much more detailed information out there on it, but even Snopes rates it as a "True" https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

Considering CDC recommendations have been overruled at the executive level (HHS/cruise ship repatriation, which may have caused the CA cluster due to insufficient planning and training) and recommendations about seniors flying, it's reasonable to assume that chain of command is broken, not that the CDC itself is.

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