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Assange Hearing Day 2

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Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by cmroanirgo »

k1m wrote: post #13

Murray's report of the first day of the trial also worth reading: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/02/your-man-in-...

Interesting.

> Extradition hearings are not held at Belmarsh Magistrates Court inside Woolwich Crown Court. They are always held at Westminster Magistrates Court as the application is deemed to be delivered to the government at Westminster. Now get your head around this. This hearing is at Westminster Magistrates Court. It is being held by the Westminster magistrates and Westminster court staff, but located at Belmarsh Magistrates Court inside Woolwich Crown Court. All of which weird convolution is precisely so they can use the “counter-terrorist court” to limit public access and to impose the fear of the power of the state.

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>There was a separate media entrance and a media room with live transmission from the courtroom, and there were so many scores of media I thought I could relax and not worry as the basic facts would be widely reported. In fact, I could not have been more wrong. I followed the arguments very clearly every minute of the day, and not a single one of the most important facts and arguments today has been reported anywhere in the mainstream media. That is a bold claim, but I fear it is perfectly true. So I have much work to do to let the world know what actually happened. The mere act of being an honest witness is suddenly extremely important, when the entire media has abandoned that role.

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Post by willis936 »

fit2rule wrote: post #18
Tomte wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is about England...

I think it goes without saying that the UK is becoming less and less the kind of place that any freedom-loving person would want to visit. Living in Europe, I am aware of a number of people who have decided to have nothing more to do with the place, and these are wealthy, educated, business leaders. I can't imagine where this is going to lead if Assange is not freed as a result of these proceedings. We are watching t…

I can’t imagine freedom-loving people choosing to live in hateful, racist places that are found all over Europe.

https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2018/being-black-eu#Tab...

Perhaps Europe could learn a thing or two from US culture.

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by 101404 »

untog wrote: post #30
101404 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting learning was, how to most effectively frame a person if you want them to lose public support. They first did the "rapist" framing. Making up a case that never existed and repeating it in the media all the time. Surprisingly, that didn't work as effectivity as expected. So they switched the framing from "rapist" to "right wing". That seems to have achieved the intended outcome with many previous support…

The rape accusations were credible, he just refused to answer to them. That doesn’t mean they were invalid in the first place, it just means they’ll never be proven in a court of law.

No, the police in Sweden invented them.

The UN special investigator documented the whole thing pretty thoroughly.

But apparently some people still stick with the lie.

Propaganda is pretty effective.

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Post by officialchicken »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #3

> Julian had twice been stripped naked and searched, eleven times been handcuffed, and five times been locked up in different holding cells. On top of this, all of his court documents had been taken from him by the prison authorities, including privileged communications between his lawyers and himself, and he had been left with no ability to prepare to participate in today’s proceedings. Still barely any mention of t…

So you're upset that he's NOT being tried in the press, and instead under judicial review in a court of law? I don't see any problem here.

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Post by Traster »

celticninja wrote: post #32

The judge has basically said this is a politically motivated extradition, and the court is fine with that. I hope that this get appealed to a higher court and it's not left to this hostile judge.

The judge hasn't said that at all. The judge said that the UK law as a matter of fact doesn't bar extraditions for political reasons - so the defense has to prove the treaty is legally binding on the court as a pre-condition for even making the argument that extradition should be stopped because its politically motivated.

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Post by 101404 »

mcv wrote: post #14
101404 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting learning was, how to most effectively frame a person if you want them to lose public support. They first did the "rapist" framing. Making up a case that never existed and repeating it in the media all the time. Surprisingly, that didn't work as effectivity as expected. So they switched the framing from "rapist" to "right wing". That seems to have achieved the intended outcome with many previous support…

These are not things that "they" did, though. They're things that "he" did.

Propaganda works.

You probably once supported his fight for free speech, until they made up the "Trump supporter" story.

With that, they actually managed to catch many people who previously supported him.

Of course, he was "left" and they told all his friends that he "now supports the enemy".

Was a really clever framing move.

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by enriquto »

ganzuul wrote: post #9

This is horrifying. As a European I'm afraid to even visit the USA. I'd expect this from some third world hellhole but not from a country which professes to have the rule of law.

It is sad to say that, but I would feel safer traveling from the EU to Russia than to the USA right now. My last visit to the states was such a bad experience (I've never been as physically terrified in my life as when the customs officers interrogated me), that I will never go there again.

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by bilekas »

henearkr wrote: post #60
bilekas wrote: post #58

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> That "it's normal" that governments have secrets is something that should be of the past. The world doesn't work that way. It probably wont for a long time so grow up. > Which I also think should be of the past, for the sake of it. Then there is the way to manage same as above, I agree with you, but reality is what it is. > that's just a matter of now doing it instead of just knowing how we can do it... Yup again a…

Just because the law requires us to give our data to the government. And the government has all legal means to collect the data in the first place.

> Just because the law requires us to give our data to the government

Not sure where you live but if you're giving too much information over by law, you should leave. Giving your address, Name, maybe Citizenship and birthday to your government is not as crazy as it sounds.

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by bilekas »

AllegedAlec wrote: post #57
bilekas wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Releasing evidence of governments doing torturing, extra-judicial killings of journalists and children,which violate the Geneva Convention, as well as a slew of other materials isn't 'cunty'. He released evidence rightly so but compromising a lot of sources, methods and other info. It could have been released better. The info should have been released, my argument is not in defence of the original actions. > That's…

> He released evidence rightly so but compromising a lot of sources, methods and other info. It could have been released better. The info should have been released, my argument is not in defence of the original actions. According to him and his lawyers he did not. The arguments for this are expanded on in the linked article.

Well according to the other side, people died because of the releases. Information was lost, sources fled.

https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=712659290

So again, right or wrong depends on your opinion.

Also again, I re-iterate and stress. I am not defending the bad actions of the US or anyone, I just don't believe that Assange is this 'holier than though' who needs to be coveted.

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