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When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by Johjd »

xornox wrote: post #56
baddox wrote: post #33

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How easy is it to immigrate to Finland and enjoy these advantages of Finnish society? If it’s easy, then I wonder why more people don’t do it. If it’s difficult, then it feels a little disingenuous to praise a society for privileging the people who just so happen to be born there. Obviously I’m not discounting the notion than certain societies can treat people better than other societies. I’m only trying to point out…

Language is one of the main reasons for low immigration. Local employers expect very often Finnish speaking skills. Even highly educated foreigners may have difficulties to find a job because of this, often ridiculous and unnecessary requirement.

It is not a rediculous requirement when you go to someone's country. Noone called you to go there and you have the nerve to impose your will? The best thing you would have to do is to respect that country and learn their language and customs.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by diminish »

mikorym wrote: post #11
jedberg wrote: post #7

My first time in Finland was last May (incidentally to give a talk at Smartly in the very office featured in the photo). I love Finland. You can tell from the moment you arrive that the entire country cares about the welfare of everyone there. It started when we got on the train from the airport. We were told that not only do kids ride public transit for free, but anyone pushing their stroller does too. Talk about su…

I think it takes a very conscious effort for a society to get to that stage. In some countries, you see individual greed being pushed to crazy extremes. Notwithstanding dictatorships, some politicians are willingly and wittingly sacrificing millions of people for a single individual objective. But I think the latter is the default position of humanity. The opposite is also a problem: When you justify every action as…

Also smaller countries are more peaceful. I'm curious if Finland had over 100m population, how it would become.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by Hamuko »

vhakulinen wrote: post #27
versale wrote: post #5

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Actually I was offered to give a tip at "O'Leary's" in the IsoOmena mall (Espoo) when paying the bill with my Visa Electron. It felt awkward and I've been avoiding the place since then.

More and more places are "offering to give a tip" at least in Helsinki when paying by card. The machine asks if you want to give some or not. Its... weird.

It's another case of importing American things you see on the TV every day.

Same is happening with Halloween now.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by tallanvor »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #40
baddox wrote: post #33

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How easy is it to immigrate to Finland and enjoy these advantages of Finnish society? If it’s easy, then I wonder why more people don’t do it. If it’s difficult, then it feels a little disingenuous to praise a society for privileging the people who just so happen to be born there. Obviously I’m not discounting the notion than certain societies can treat people better than other societies. I’m only trying to point out…

Not sure about Finland but my native Norway pops up in these kinds of discussions frequently as well. Moving to Norway is in fact relatively easy as long as you get a job which requires some kind of higher education or special skill. You cannot move to Norway just to flip burgers. But you can move to Norway as say a sushi chef or geologist. I would expect Finland as a fellow Nordic country to be similar. The reason w…

Norwegians pretend they don't care about a status symbols, but the reality is very different. You'll see many high-end cars and people walking around with designer bags and clothes, even teenagers. For a month prior to the 17th of May you'll also see teenagers spend obscene amounts of money fitting out a bus to drive around the city drinking and annoying everyone with horrible music. --It may seem normal to you, but it really is a rather ostentatious display of wealth.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by Hamuko »

xornox wrote: post #57
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #16

This is clearly an artificial, manufactured viral marketing campaign. Hash tag added for extra cringe. Ridiculous.

My father did not ever lock car or house in Finland. It is very real, but trust has been going down year by year.

I don't believe that unless he lives in the countryside.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by pinkfoot »

diminish wrote: post #62
mikorym wrote: post #11

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I think it takes a very conscious effort for a society to get to that stage. In some countries, you see individual greed being pushed to crazy extremes. Notwithstanding dictatorships, some politicians are willingly and wittingly sacrificing millions of people for a single individual objective. But I think the latter is the default position of humanity. The opposite is also a problem: When you justify every action as…

Also smaller countries are more peaceful. I'm curious if Finland had over 100m population, how it would become.

It would depend a lot on which people went to live there. The Swiss or Japanese? Probably much the same. Afghans? Less so.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by StavrosK »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #55
asdko13roasi wrote: post #23

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>what I didn't see anywhere were homeless people or beggars Romanian beggars are a common sight during warmer months.

In spite of the belief among many Helsinki residents that these are all "Romanian beggars", a substantial number of these Roma beggars – and in at least one summer the majority – have come from Bulgaria. Yes, some of them are from Romania, but I don’t know why Romania is the sole country ever mentioned in this context. I suppose it is an inability to distinguish between the terms romanilainen (Roma) and romanialainen…

I was just about to say, the only Romanian I've ever seen here is a good friend of mine. I've seen plenty of Roma, though (some of whom are also friends).

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by StavrosK »

jedberg wrote: post #18
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #12

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Finland is actually great for summer holidays (although a bit expensive) - and I think it will become more popular as summers in other parts of Europe Europe get hotter and hotter. One thing you will need to get used though is the light in the night. You wait for it to get dark, you wait, and... it never happens. Very strange.

I’m totally cool with that part! I remember walking home from the event and thinking “wow the streets are empty considering how early it is” only to realize it was 10:30pm. The lat few days of our trip the sun never set. Blackout shades are all I need to solve that. It’s the lack of sun in winter I couldn’t handle.

So why were the streets empty that early?

EDIT: I now realize most people won't get the tongue-in-cheek nature of my comment, as over here 10:30 is considered quite early and most people go out at midnight, with the peak being around 2am.

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by vic-traill »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #55
asdko13roasi wrote: post #23

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>what I didn't see anywhere were homeless people or beggars Romanian beggars are a common sight during warmer months.

In spite of the belief among many Helsinki residents that these are all "Romanian beggars", a substantial number of these Roma beggars – and in at least one summer the majority – have come from Bulgaria. Yes, some of them are from Romania, but I don’t know why Romania is the sole country ever mentioned in this context. I suppose it is an inability to distinguish between the terms romanilainen (Roma) and romanialainen…

This.

Perhaps the OP intended Romany (or the alternative Romani). [0]

It's a Wikipedia source, but it is of reasonable quality, differentiating between Romanian and Romany in matters of religion and music.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

Re: When a cleaner finds 5 euros at a Finnish office

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Post by yonder »

leke wrote: post #42
baddox wrote: post #33

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How easy is it to immigrate to Finland and enjoy these advantages of Finnish society? If it’s easy, then I wonder why more people don’t do it. If it’s difficult, then it feels a little disingenuous to praise a society for privileging the people who just so happen to be born there. Obviously I’m not discounting the notion than certain societies can treat people better than other societies. I’m only trying to point out…

I believe it's no more difficult then any other EU country. I was engaged to a Finn and I was accepted on those grounds, even though I didn't have work. When I got married, I could attend the immigrant integration course (maahanmuuttajakoulutus), which included an intensive language learning program. I'm an EU citizen, and I believe EU citizens can live in Finland if they have employment.

You don't have to have employment, but must have some other means for supporting yourself besides social benefits. It's ok to collect them between jobs for a while, though.
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