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Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by deogeo »

wholepointofcc wrote: post #57
ceautery wrote: post #12

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric. The US jailed 70,000 migrant children this year. I doubt history will smile on that.

Here's a list of countries Mexicans (just an example, I know there are people from elsewhere coming in thru y'alls southern border) don't need Visas to enter: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Visa_req... It literally includes all other countries in the American continent except for Guyana. Immigrate to these countries instead. Thank me later. Why would someone illegally immigrate to the USA in this…

The US is of course an evil white supremacist patriarchy, yet living anywhere else is akin to a death sentence for Latin Americans.

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #19
TeMPOraL wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ethic shifts don't come out of the blue; they start as a growing sentiment within a population, which at some point (whether through growth or things being shaken up by e.g. war) reaches critical mass.

Sure but that's no reason to expect yourself in specific to be on the right side of the shift.

>Sure but that's no reason to expect yourself in specific to be on the right side of the shift.

Everyone from Caesar to the crusaders to Martin Luther to the American revolutionaries to the KKK to the Amish to the imperial Japanese to the 1960s hippies to the Taliban to the IRA is on the right side of the shift as they see/saw it.

We can't all be right, some people have to be wrong. Some people will be right on some things and wrong on others. Some people will be so right or wrong on particular things that it will overshadow how right/wrong they were on others.

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Post by xorfish »

dublin wrote: post #46
xorfish wrote: post #34

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Clean in vitro meat might be the technology that ends factory farming. An interesting question is how future generations will look at us if they still eat clean meat.

Describing lab-created genetically-modified "Frankenmeat" as "clean" might be one of those things not looked on favorably in the future... Bill Joy is quite likely right that genetic engineering is probably the most dangerous technology ever created, and the one that almost certainly has the highest probability of killing us all.

Compared to factory farmed meat it is most certaly clean. No unnecessary suffering of concious animals and far smaller impact on the environment make it that.

I'm not even sure that clean meat relies on genetic modifications, but even if, so what? There is no reason to believe that targeted changes are more harmfull than random mutations.

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by UI_at_80x24 »

wholepointofcc wrote: post #57
ceautery wrote: post #12

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric. The US jailed 70,000 migrant children this year. I doubt history will smile on that.

Here's a list of countries Mexicans (just an example, I know there are people from elsewhere coming in thru y'alls southern border) don't need Visas to enter: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Visa_req... It literally includes all other countries in the American continent except for Guyana. Immigrate to these countries instead. Thank me later. Why would someone illegally immigrate to the USA in this…

>Why would someone illegally immigrate to the USA in this day and age is beyond my comprehension.

Specifically to respond to this misconception: ALL of the people from "the caravan", ALL of the parents of the 70,000 children that were locked up and taken away FOLLOWED THE LAW and DID EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE TOLD THEM TO DO. They were seeking asylum and political refuge. They followed our law to receive protection/shelter.

Any other dialog is pure rhetoric and Trump based fear mongering.

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Post by ben_w »

pjc50 wrote: post #47
krageon wrote: post #38

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The current world doesn't even smile on it

The current world is copying it. This decade will probably cross ten million people in non-justicial indefinite detention.

I wish I shared your optimism that the number will be that small. Worldwide, I’m expecting 50-150 million from 2020 to 2030.

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Post by youdontknowtho »

SaintGhurka wrote: post #51
youdontknowtho wrote: post #45

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It's easy to make abortion seem barbaric in a HN comment thread. The lives of people are complicated and messy. Your opinion about how other people should conduct their personal lives shouldn't extend to family planning. Period. If we are being honest, open heart surgery is barbaric. They cut people open and then break all their ribs. It's not assault or murder, for a variety of reasons that I'm not going to go into.…

"Your opinion about how other people should conduct their personal lives shouldn't extend to family planning." So the poster shouldn't have an opinion? "Further, experience tells me that granting good faith in these arguments is usually a bad idea." Isn't granting good faith to others' arguments one of the cherished ideals on HN?

Do you grant creationists good faith? How about anti-vaxers? Flat earthers?

People have been using free speech absolutism over the last couple of years to popularize poisonous ideas. Should we keep letting that happen?

EDIT: Maybe they have an opinion, but frankly that lot don't spin this as an opinion. It's barbarism. It's murder. It's evil. Don't act like their isn't a larger context to all of this.

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Post by ben_w »

wholepointofcc wrote: post #55
ceautery wrote: post #52

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Q) "Why did you come here if you knew it would be risky?" A) "I had no way to provide food for my family, and didn't want to be killed by drug cartels."

Ok, you took a gamble, to illegally go into a place that ostensively doesn't want you. The gamble didn't pay off, tough luck. What the USA is doing is inhumane (news at 11) but I have very little sympathy for people who put their children at risk like that. I'd turn into a criminal before putting my children at risk like that. Maybe this makes me a worse person. It certainly makes me a person whose children are not i…

It would make you someone whose children are dead or enslaved.

At least, that’s the fear of those who are fleeing. I wouldn’t know how accurate their beliefs are.

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Post by jtx22 »

jordanpg wrote: post #36
ceautery wrote: post #12

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric. The US jailed 70,000 migrant children this year. I doubt history will smile on that.

The fact that we put other humans in cages for any reason is probably unforgivable on a long enough timeline, especially for non-violent crimes.

Protecting the sovereignty of your country will be paramount in the future. Future generations will look back at this borderless craze.. as truly insane.

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Post by wholepointofcc »

UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #64
wholepointofcc wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a list of countries Mexicans (just an example, I know there are people from elsewhere coming in thru y'alls southern border) don't need Visas to enter: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Visa_req... It literally includes all other countries in the American continent except for Guyana. Immigrate to these countries instead. Thank me later. Why would someone illegally immigrate to the USA in this…

>Why would someone illegally immigrate to the USA in this day and age is beyond my comprehension. Specifically to respond to this misconception: ALL of the people from "the caravan", ALL of the parents of the 70,000 children that were locked up and taken away FOLLOWED THE LAW and DID EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE TOLD THEM TO DO. They were seeking asylum and political refuge. They followed our law to receive protection/shelte…

> They were seeking asylum and political refuge

Asylum and political refuge? Cause you're poor and from a violent place? Might as well bring in the whole of south America then...

> Any other dialog is pure rhetoric and Trump based fear mongering.

I don't have a horse in this race. I'm a south-American immigrant myself. I didn't vote nor care for y'alls Orange Leader. I just feel personal responsibility shouldn't be downplayed.

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by youdontknowtho »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #58
youdontknowtho wrote: post #50

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I've been to multiple prisons for children to visit people, they aren't like schools. Also, many children are sent to adult prison and those aren't like school either. Both public and private schools can be places where people experience violence, but many more people experience violence at home first. Rein it in, minuteman.

Students are not free to leave and will literally be thrown in a cage for truancy if they do. They don't choose the curriculum, don't get to choose who they work with, and are frequently submitted to dehumanizing treatment like having to ask permission to use the restroom. What more could you ask for in a prison?

I bet you also think taxation is theft and Ayn Rand is a great author.

I hope you never see a real prison. I'm serious about this. They are horrifying.

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