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Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Also worthy to note that Logitech has decent macOS support.

Ehhhh........ It _works_, but the overwhelming consensus is that their software is a confusing-to-navigate buggy mess that has to stay running all the time, uses excessive CPU[0], and freaks out from time to time.

[0] - On a 15 inch 2017 MacBook Pro, "Logi Options Daemon" sits at 0.3% CPU when the mouse is still and 4% (!!!) while the mouse is moving

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Do they make high-quality mice like these for left-handed people? I'm always jealous by this type of mouse, while I'm stuck using my cheap sad ambidextrous Microsoft mouse.

Good point, for some it is like being forced to buy a two right shoes to fit upon your feet. Let alone the aspect of mouse size and the analogy gets down to shoes only available for right feet and then sizes 6 and 11 only.

With that in mind - how hard would it be to make a mouse which had a gel top that would mould to your hand. Could have a gel that is perhaps viscus when an electric current passed thru it and solid when not - allowing you to setup the mouse to fit your hand. As for buttons, well, that has been one of the easier ones to fix and about the only area you can customise a mouse (switch left and right mouse buttons) which is your standard OS configurable.

Though I'm not aware of any material that is viscous when a current is applied and solid when not - the other way around you have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetorheological_fluid

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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I love the Logitech hardware quality but I really wish they'd work on their software quality. I'm using a G502 at work right now with Logitech Gaming Software and the two completely baffling decisions they made with that software on macOS: 1. It has to be running. If I launch it for configuration and hit ⌘Q it stops working and my mouse reverts to the default. I have to remember to close the window instead, which lea…

Logitech software is a dumpster fire. For a while there it would start and go to 170-190% CPU and just burn until it was killed. I share your experience and frustration.

Logi Options Daemon uses 4% CPU on a 2017 15" MacBook Pro while my MX Master 2S is moving. I wonder wtf it's doing the whole time.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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I love the Logitech hardware quality but I really wish they'd work on their software quality. I'm using a G502 at work right now with Logitech Gaming Software and the two completely baffling decisions they made with that software on macOS: 1. It has to be running. If I launch it for configuration and hit ⌘Q it stops working and my mouse reverts to the default. I have to remember to close the window instead, which lea…

I hated the Logitech driver, it's been a complete dumpster fire -- constantly disconnecting, disabling certain functionality, and just overall a pain to fight. Ended up switching to SteerMouse, the developer's been crazy responsive and even went out of the way to work on MX Master 3 compatibility + support Smart Zoom functionality when it wasn't even previously up for consideration.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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I've been using the 2S for a while and just bought the MX 3 because I needed an extra mouse. They managed to improve an already near-perfect mouse. I just love the 3. Probably not worth ditching your 2S for, but nonetheless, a superb upgrade. I always felt the thumb buttons were awkward on the 2S and that has been rectified. The magnetic wheel is also really nice to use.

Yes, the thumb buttons seem much better. USB-C is an upgrade. Only thing that is missing is a wireless charging. Some competitors use Qi charging or a special mousepad, so there's never a need to plug it in. In 2010, Logitech released a solar-powered keyboard called the K750. Now that batteries and PV cells are improving, and low energy wireless technology is improving, I bet this would be less terrible. Also in 2010…

Logitech does have a wireless charging mousepad system but it's currently limited to their gaming series mice.

https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mouse-pads/p...

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Logitech software is a dumpster fire. For a while there it would start and go to 170-190% CPU and just burn until it was killed. I share your experience and frustration.

Logi Options Daemon uses 4% CPU on a 2017 15" MacBook Pro while my MX Master 2S is moving. I wonder wtf it's doing the whole time.

Sending your cursor position to DynamoDB

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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Really wish the MX master 3 had a USB-C receiver. Bluetooth just doesn't cut it sometimes

What BT issues have you had?

It’s slower, much more prone to noise, a lot of disconnects, etc. the dongle just works.

There are other software bugs on macOS, such as smooth scrolling and inverted scroll not working sometimes on Bluetooth.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

#69
post #12

Also worthy to note that Logitech has decent macOS support.

The MX Master 2 or whatever has been absolute trash for me on my work mac. There's the standard issue with macs and third party mice where the "inertia" or whatever of the mouse feels off, but more than that there has to be some sort of interference because the thing just floats and jitters constantly. Completely unusable, I gave it away to one of our finance guys.

Re: Logitech MX Master 3 vs. 2S Teardown

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For those interested, Logitech recently resurrected [1] their most famous mouse. The MX518. At least I was able to now buy it from retailers in Europe :) I love it. Could never get used to the more bulk Logitech mice such as the one in OP. [1] https://www.techpowerup.com/review/logitech-g-mx518/

For MX518 lovers, I've got a strong recommendation for G400s. The shape is almost the same and it's amazing how durable it is. The cable issue is still there, just like in MX518, and eventually (I am guessing) that's the reason I'll have to switch to something else. I've been using both of them for years and years. Amazing.

I prefer the G400s over the MX518 as I like the more grippy shell.

You can get cable replacement kits for the MX518/G400/G400s for $9 from eBay that includes new feet and a USB cable. So I'm really not worried about longevity.

P.S. You should take the mouse apart and clean it probably at least once per year. I cleaned my MX518 after about 5 years when the scroll stopped working consistently. I was shocked how much hair was on the inside, blocking the scroll sensor.

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