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Re: TextMate 2.0

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Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Indeed, but not the whole story ;) https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Hmm good point, when looking for a place to retire look for Vim searches!

Re: TextMate 2.0

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Atom is more popular than those listed: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

"atom" probably includes searches for the particle, not just the editor, so not really fair comparison. Also "vs code" trends higher than "visual studio code", so take all of these results with a pinch of salt.

Except for the fact that you can “type hint” your query term (in this case, Atom: Text Editor), which the referenced URL does.

Re: TextMate 2.0

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Its native but cross platform so many Mac purists don’t consider it as “native” as TextMate, which is built specifically for the Mac and doesn't compromise on standard Mac UI idioms. Having said that, if they had known all the modern alternatives were going to be even less “native” amd run in a browser engine, they'd probably have been less nitpicky.

Eh, as a macOS user until recently, I found Sublime Text to be a very integrated application. Appearance and behavior was exactly as I'd expect from modern macOS applications. It may not be heavy on archaic Mac features such as AppleScript integration, but I hope we can all agree to ignore those technologies. TextMate just brings memories of the 10.4 Tiger days.

Right. I’m referring to 5 to 7 years ago when Sublime 2 was still young.

I personally liked ST2 but I know that some people held their nose.

Re: TextMate 2.0

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Too late for what?

Dominance of the text editor market. TextMate was pretty meh, Coda I tried and thought was ridiculously overpriced for its total lack of features. Sublime was great for its time, I even paid for a license, but Atom is just too good for its value (free). But apparently VS Code is becoming extremely popular. I wonder if its literally just because of GitLens (still missing from other text editors). Disclaimer: RubyMine…

Far more than GitLens. Integrated terminal, for example. You can add database tools, Docker tools, etc. The relatively recent addition of SFTP is a first class implementation.

Re: TextMate 2.0

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As an aside, I added vim and vi to the trends, which dwarf the others, but show a long and slow decline for `vi`, but a fairly steady state for `vim`. As a vim user that at times wishes he learned emacs instead of vim, emacs is an interesting trend to see: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q="...

Keep in mind that "vi" has meaning outside of text editors.

Very true and likely, also considering how short the terms are, but emacs is in clear decline. Perhaps it's just become so easy to use, no one needs to search for anything anymore?

Re: TextMate 2.0

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Its native but cross platform so many Mac purists don’t consider it as “native” as TextMate, which is built specifically for the Mac and doesn't compromise on standard Mac UI idioms. Having said that, if they had known all the modern alternatives were going to be even less “native” amd run in a browser engine, they'd probably have been less nitpicky.

Eh, as a macOS user until recently, I found Sublime Text to be a very integrated application. Appearance and behavior was exactly as I'd expect from modern macOS applications. It may not be heavy on archaic Mac features such as AppleScript integration, but I hope we can all agree to ignore those technologies. TextMate just brings memories of the 10.4 Tiger days.

TextMate never had AppleScript integration, AFAIK.

Also, I'm not convinced we should ignore those "archaic" technologies, at least in the abstract. Applications can provide "dictionaries" of commands that, when implemented well, provide GUI applications with the kind of "snap together for amazing effect" you get with shell scripts and a host of well-written CLI tools. You arguably can't script the AppleScript-intensive BBEdit to the same level that you could, say, Emacs or Vim, but imagine the possibilities of a suite of apps from different makers that all had complete scripting dictionaries that could all be woven together with a deep system-wide scripting language.

I actually think it's a shame that AppleScript has been kicked to the curb. I don't think we have a "modern" replacement yet -- certainly not in the Apple ecosystem, and I'm not sure anywhere else. (Shortcuts on iOS is trying, but it's not on the Mac yet, and it gets pretty clunky if you start doing overly complicated automation bits with it.)

Re: TextMate 2.0

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> Textmate is now just graphical Notepad on Mac I hope no one reads that and assumes that’s all TextMate is. TextMate is the godfather of all modern “smart” GUI code editors — VSCode included.

Doesn’t BBEdit hold that position?

It does, and one can argue it's been maintained and updated much more consistently than TextMate. I still think BBEdit is the best "Swiss army knife" for text manipulation; I've used it for editing huge Markdown-based documentation sites in three tech writing jobs now.

Re: TextMate 2.0

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Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

Indeed, but not the whole story ;) https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

wow what is up with alaska 100% vim!! what a state

Re: TextMate 2.0

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You'll have a hard time prying Webstorm out of my hands...

I was a die hard editor purist (Sublime) for a while but after using an IDE for Java I realized how powerful they can be - even for frontend.

Re: TextMate 2.0

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Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...

I hope sublime doesn't die off (or fade into obscurity)

They blew it, plain and simple. Development went dark, VS Code swept in and took its place. Sad.
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