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The SR-71's predecessor used cesium-laced fuel to create radar-absorbing exhaust

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Re: The SR-71's predecessor used cesium-laced fuel to create radar-absorbing exhaust

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My experience with cesium is that everyone thinks its radioactive. It isn't-- like many common elements there is a radioactive isotope, but that is not what would have been used here. I speculate this worked by the highly reactive cesium ionizing the air. Similar things have been done with doping rocket fuels with metals to stimulate lightning strikes. Presumably most of the cesium would end up reacted very quickly,…

Well, you are correct in just some cases. Caesium has only one stable isotope, so beside the actual Caesium and Caesium-133 everything else has ß-decay. Unless you are burning 100% refined Caesium, there is always a chance that you are also burning its radioactive isotopes.

Re: The SR-71's predecessor used cesium-laced fuel to create radar-absorbing exhaust

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You can definitely see the B2 exhaust design in the Y23. It seems the Northrop gets the bombers and Lockheed gets the fighters. Makes sense logistically.

Nothing about modern fighter procurement makes any sense logistically! It seems the F22 was basically picked on the promise to make as many components in as many separate states as possible, in order to ensure every politician on the hill brought into it. And the idea of servicing different parts of the F35 in different buying countries is another logistical masterstroke, not! Oh my god, servicing F35 engines in Turk…

Turkey already bought F-35s[1], but are being told both that they can't buy anymore, and the servicing of the engines will be moved out of Turkey by 2020 if they insist on buying the S-400 from Russia[2][3].

Also, even if they didn't sell the F-35 to Turkey but still serviced the engines there that would make logical sense. The reason the US is paranoid about the S-400 is because they think radar data about the F-35 and other NATO aircraft will be fed back to Russia[4]. That concern obviously doesn't apply to a stand-alone F-35 engine sitting on the ground.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning...

2. https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/06/07/turkish-suppliers...

3. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/16/trump-turkey-...

4. https://news.usni.org/2019/07/15/f-35-program-leadership-cha...

Re: The SR-71's predecessor used cesium-laced fuel to create radar-absorbing exhaust

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The science and technology is awe-inspiring .. as in awwww-mother fucker, we could have had universal healthcare and a peaceful world if we didn't spend trillions of dollars on this bullshit.

You sound like the nun in Africa whom in the 70s asked how one could spend money on space exploration instead of helping the starving and poor.

http://www.meaus.com/whyExplore.html

Re: The SR-71's predecessor used cesium-laced fuel to create radar-absorbing exhaust

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I have some bad news. We used to put tetraethyl lead in automobile fuel and then burn it in cities next to homes and schools.

More bad news: we still put it in avgas.

They're working on a replacement for 100LL avgas, thankfully.

There's some flight safety concerns that have delayed it, but it's still a work in progress.

Re: The SR-71's predecessor used cesium-laced fuel to create radar-absorbing exhaust

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The sr-71 gets all the glory but go look at some of the aircraft that lost competitions. The convair kingfish that lost to the 71 was decades ahead. It lost for a number of reasons, some valid, some not. The f-22 competitor was super interesting as well.

Yeah, the YF-23 wins a lot of cool points on looks alone[1], and it was faster and stealthier than the F-22. Taking the -22 was probably the right choice given that it was lower risk and absurdly better than anything it's likely to encounter in its operational life. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23#/media/File:YF-...

Oh man, growing up I had a book of aeroplanes, with diagrams and stats for hundreds of planes that I would obsess over. But the editors did a very cruel thing which was putting a photo of the YF-23 on the cover, but the plane was not in the book. Drove me nuts!

Re: The SR-71's predecessor used cesium-laced fuel to create radar-absorbing exhaust

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The science and technology is awe-inspiring .. as in awwww-mother fucker, we could have had universal healthcare and a peaceful world if we didn't spend trillions of dollars on this bullshit.

These recon and offensive capabilities have in fact led to a more peaceful world. It’s the harsh reality that we live in.

The capabilities actually used were and are a real overkill, for many orders of magnitude.

The whole think tanks and whole branches of military from the start worked on many order of magnitudes multiplied assumptions of the military capability of the opponents. Only now you can read their acknowledgment that the estimates were hugely overblown (1). So they did produce overkill from the start as they produced "enough" rockets and planes. Then they replaced the plain nuclear warheads with the thermonuclear warheads, again many orders of magnitude overkill. And the "victory" is defined as destroying more than the opponent, no matter if anybody would be able to live in the world afterwards. Against the fact that the world was never so interdependent as it is now -- if you would remove all the stuff from your possession where at least some parts were produced in e.g. Asia, you would not have almost anything useful.

We're still in the world that can lose the form as we know it in just one erroneous decision, even if some humans in some caves/shelters manage to survive, what's left will be worse than the most pessimistic movies. And in that world, just the cost of a single type of the plane (F-35) is projected (that means lower than what will be) to 1.508 trillion dollars. And the US just exited one nuclear arm control treaty.

1) E.g. in my favorite book: "The Doomsday Machine -- Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner" written by a former strategic analyst at the RAND Corporation.

Re: The SR-71's predecessor used cesium-laced fuel to create radar-absorbing exhaust

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> Though there is no indication that A-50 used a radioactive cesium isotope, the compound is toxic and it's unclear how hazardous the complete mixture may have been

I think, adding anything radioactive to jetfuel even with decay halflifes of some days would leave a detectable trail.

Re: The SR-71's predecessor used cesium-laced fuel to create radar-absorbing exhaust

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I completely different view. Rogoway's is not into critical thinking or good analysis. He is also deeply into monetizing Navy-UFO conspiracy.

As a pair of eyeballs that likes to read about the Navy-UFO stuff, can you point me to something more critical of it? I just get a lot of noise and nothing really makes sense, so I just treat it as entertainint Sci-Fi.

Most of it makes perfect sense. But there is a certain Congress critter that has got himself convinced that UFOs are real and has made it his pet project to fund these investigations. Which, quote predictably, cherrypick facts to justify their continued funding.

Re: The SR-71's predecessor used cesium-laced fuel to create radar-absorbing exhaust

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post #39

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I completely different view. Rogoway's is not into critical thinking or good analysis. He is also deeply into monetizing Navy-UFO conspiracy.

I've completely missed the boat (heh); what is "Navy-UFO conspiracy"? Because at least one interpretation of that combination of words is entirely level-headed (UFOs as Naval materiel, e.g. penaids and their friends, electro-optical EW missile-countermeasure systems), while the other, not so much.

NY Times: ‘Wow, What Is That?’ Navy Pilots Report Unexplained Flying Objects https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings...

Re: The SR-71's predecessor used cesium-laced fuel to create radar-absorbing exhaust

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As a pair of eyeballs that likes to read about the Navy-UFO stuff, can you point me to something more critical of it? I just get a lot of noise and nothing really makes sense, so I just treat it as entertainint Sci-Fi.

Most of it makes perfect sense. But there is a certain Congress critter that has got himself convinced that UFOs are real and has made it his pet project to fund these investigations. Which, quote predictably, cherrypick facts to justify their continued funding.

Said critter thinks the 'A' in 'UFO' means aliens from outer space.
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