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Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

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Re: Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

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This article is somewhat surprising. It does not seem to account for variation in the intensity of work at different times, for example planting and harvest. At those times it's hard to imagine that people worked anything less than dawn to dusk to ensure they had food for the next year.

You've never worked crunch or a holiday period?

Re: Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

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post #7

This is true, and it's interesting. However, it's also important to keep in mind that there was also a lot of grinding poverty and near-starvation during the off-seasons. A peasant family might not have been working during the winter, but its a bit misleading to view that period as "leisure time."

The article argues that even when they had a chance to work more they didn't. Maybe they were all being shortsighted, or maybe that happened in a brief climactic golden age.

It was a common mindset, historian friends tell me that also shopkeepers in villages would work on a need-money-soon basis.

I think that historically the first job with the work ethic of more is better was the merchant.

Re: Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

#63
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Common usage indicates that "than us" is just fine. Remember English grammar doesn't come from a grammar book - grammar books are merely imperfect attempts to describe common English usage.

More than that, "Than We" sounds archaic to me, 19th C at best, i.e. wrong. Who talks like that?

Elisabeth II

Re: Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The closer your work is to the actual benefit it provides, the more gratifying it is.

I post this quote a lot, but I your point made me think of it again: "It is useless work that darkens the heart. The delight of the nursing mother, of the scholar, of the successful hunter, of the good cook, of the skillful maker, of anyone doing needed work and doing it well, - this durable joy is perhaps the deepest source of human affection and of society as a whole." - Ursula K LeGuin

That's a great quote. I've often said that fulfilling work is one of the great joys in life, but leave it to Ursula LeGuin to say it better.

Re: Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

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Sure, many spend 8 hours at the office. But do they do 8 hours of work? Probably not. There are diminishing returns on time spent working, and it probably starts around the third hour. https://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/oso/978019087... Many industries would probably suffer negligible losses (and maybe gains) by transitioning to 20 hour work weeks.

I don't disagree with you. The average eight hour office worker probably only does do four hours of work a day. But I think the problem is that that nearly everyone has internalized that cadence. If every office worker had their schedule cut to a 20 hours a week, I strongly suspect that only 10 hours of work would actually get done. It's just too much of the low efficiency is culturally ingrained on every level from…

This would make it easier to spot more productive people

Re: Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

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It's hard to compare, but those who try usually say we have about 30x the income now. So the extra effort is worth it!

...what? Almost all of that 30x is because of better technology, not the number of hours. We could switch to something like 32 hour weeks, 40 work weeks per year, and still have a truly enormous GDP.

Re: Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

#70

If you look at hours per worked per family, things have gotten even way worse since woman were drafted en mass into the salaried workforce post ww2, going from a 40hr week to well over 70hrs.

That's really only true is you take the parochial view that what women do at home isn't "work", when it clearly is work.

In the 1940s a woman would typically spend 62 hours a week in housework.

Nowadays women typically spend 15 hours in housework and 45 hours in paid work. So the same ballpark, really, and not a dramatic expansion.

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