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Some new cars at risk of theft by exploiting weaknesses in keyless entry systems

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Re: Some new cars at risk of theft by exploiting weaknesses in keyless entry systems

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Post by dpark »

jcims wrote: post #60
dpark wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The typical person who is willing to steal a car is not willing to commit violent assault in order to take keys from you. Someone whose logic is so flawed that they think “oh well, felony” is probably not just stealing cars. At that point they might as well break into your house, murder you for your stuff, and then do the same for every house on the block. “Because felony”, right?

So ‘No.’ but then you go on to restate my point?

No. Your point seems to state that committing a felony implies that a criminal is automatically willing to escalate to any other crime, as if anything resembling rationality is impossible. I’m saying that’s absurd.

Car thieves don’t generally commit war crimes.

Re: Some new cars at risk of theft by exploiting weaknesses in keyless entry systems

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Post by jcims »

dpark wrote: post #61
jcims wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So ‘No.’ but then you go on to restate my point?

No. Your point seems to state that committing a felony implies that a criminal is automatically willing to escalate to any other crime, as if anything resembling rationality is impossible. I’m saying that’s absurd. Car thieves don’t generally commit war crimes.

This is what i said:

>Once you’re committing felonies the primacy of rational thought could be called into question.

This is what you're saying i said:

>Your point seems to state that committing a felony implies that a criminal is automatically willing to escalate to any other crime, as if anything resembling rationality is impossible.

See the difference?

Re: Some new cars at risk of theft by exploiting weaknesses in keyless entry systems

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Post by dpark »

jcims wrote: post #62
dpark wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Your point seems to state that committing a felony implies that a criminal is automatically willing to escalate to any other crime, as if anything resembling rationality is impossible. I’m saying that’s absurd. Car thieves don’t generally commit war crimes.

This is what i said: >Once you’re committing felonies the primacy of rational thought could be called into question. This is what you're saying i said: >Your point seems to state that committing a felony implies that a criminal is automatically willing to escalate to any other crime, as if anything resembling rationality is impossible. See the difference?

No, I don’t see the difference. You said that someone committing one felony will escalate to another felony because they can’t think rationally.

The question was whether someone who’s willing to break into a parked car to steal it is willing to break into a house to assault the car owner in order to take their keys to steal the same car. You said yes, or at least you implied “yes” extremely strongly. If you don’t believe the answer is “yes” then I don’t know what the point of your comment was.

PS: The fact that you thought my absurd extrapolation of your statement was making the same point tells me that you do indeed believe a car thief is likely to escalate to far worse crimes “because felony”.

Re: Some new cars at risk of theft by exploiting weaknesses in keyless entry systems

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Post by cameldrv »

Shivetya wrote: post #43
forgingahead wrote: post #16

A lot of new car "innovations" remind me of my issues with the newer iPhones and Macbook Pros (no headphone jack, thinness above all else, etc): I like having a physical key to start the engine. There was never any confusion in our household about "who has the keys" like there is now. I despise the start-stop nonsense. Let me use the pedals to start and stop. I don't need my car to broadcast a wifi signal. Etc etc et…

start stop for the engine when not needed is a welcome innovation though some brands handled it poorly when introduced. It does save fuel and when done well is seamless. I had this on a manual 2012 Z4 and loved it. the wi-fi hot spot craze that manufacturers bought into never made much sense to me except as a revenue source for the same. I do know that GM though OnStar sells such services and they are seriously over…

Earlier versions of S/S worked a lot better with manual transmission cars. If you stop at a light and put the car in neutral, the first thing you have to do to go again is push down the clutch. You push it all the way down, then move your foot from the brake to the gas. You only expect the car to start moving when you start pushing down the gas and lifting the clutch. The S/S system can begin restarting the engine as soon as you touch the clutch.

In an automatic car, you stop with your foot on the brake, and as soon as you start lifting your foot, the car is supposed to start moving. You need a much more responsive and tuned S/S system to give a good experience when it has much less time to react.

Re: Some new cars at risk of theft by exploiting weaknesses in keyless entry systems

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Post by cameldrv »

Frondo wrote: post #53
stronglikedan wrote: post #52

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> it can be quite unnerving when the engine suddenly stops at an intersection. Even more unnerving when it doesn't start right away, and you're already pushing the gas when it does, causing the car to lurch forward unexpectedly fast. All you can do is hope the person in front of you doesn't stop quickly, before you can get your foot back over to the brake.

I rented a Ford Ecosport for a road trip earlier this year and made good use of the unlimited miles package ;) It had the idle shutoff feature, which I didn't realize at first but figured out after a stoplight or two. Through a few weeks of city driving and highway driving, I never once felt it lurch. It was always absolutely responsive. Maybe they've gotten better? It worked great, and it was really nice to know I w…

Rear view cameras are a major safety innovation for pickups and SUVs. There's simply no way to see if a child is standing in back of your rear bumper without one.

Re: Some new cars at risk of theft by exploiting weaknesses in keyless entry systems

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Post by aries1980 »

lm28469 wrote: post #41
Gpetrium wrote: post #30

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OP is likely talking about the system that automatically shuts down and restarts the combustion engine when you come to a complete halt. This is meant to reduce emissions and fuel comsumption.

What's the link between start and stop and pedals ? Isn't it seamless for the driver ?

With a bit of practice, yes. First time I drove such manual transmission car was very confusing. I didn't know the engine stopped because I switched in wrong gear and didn't have enough torque or what. Felt very frustrating. After I got used to the transmission it was ok. I guess it would become seamless after a couple of days.
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