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Re: Huawei staff CVs reveal alleged links to Chinese intelligence agencies

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Post by cf498 »

darawk wrote: post #25
mrtksn wrote: post #18

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How do we know that "former" is not just on paperwork? When I hear the arguments against China and their tech companies, I don't have a problem believing them, however I do not expect anything less from the USA. Remember Snowden? I'm simply assuming that Facebook, Google, Apple, Cisco or any other US tech company are tapped by the US 3 letter agencies. There were some reveleations on that(PRISMA) but it's probably ju…

I think the big difference is that US companies can meaningfully resist the US government if they choose to, and they often do. Chinese companies cannot.

The US has a national security letters. There is no meaningfully resisting. You do what they say and cant tell anyone about it.

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Post by microcolonel »

half-kh-hacker wrote: post #60
geofft wrote: post #55

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Yes, I do. Here's a few reasons: - I genuinely think that the Huawei stories are by and large protectionist fearmongering and that Huawei products would win in a free and high-information (and high-correct-information, of course) market. I think better, cheaper products are good for the US. - If Huawei is actually using their products to spy, or there is even a belief of such, that incentivizes the use of end-to-end…

Regarding: > - I don't think China is any more evil than the US. In my opinion, citizens of China have it far worse, due to things like the Great Firewall. I'd much rather live in the US than China, at least it's vaguely democratic.

Also, China is willing to be more evil to Americans than the U.S. is to Americans.

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Post by geofft »

microcolonel wrote: post #62
half-kh-hacker wrote: post #60

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Regarding: > - I don't think China is any more evil than the US. In my opinion, citizens of China have it far worse, due to things like the Great Firewall. I'd much rather live in the US than China, at least it's vaguely democratic.

Also, China is willing to be more evil to Americans than the U.S. is to Americans .

To white Americans?

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Post by imiric »

fit2rule wrote: post #34
MiroF wrote: post #26

wild - this thread appears to be brigaded by pro CCP posters

I think a lot of people are just sick and tired of American hypocrisy. The country that gave us the oppressive 5-eyes regime has not in any way gained moral authority to declare other nations' intelligence agencies involvement in industry to be immoral, or a 'security risk'. Until the NSA is disbanded, there is no security on the Internet. To explain the perspective and avoid the inevitable "you must be a shill for t…

Mostly agree with you, but on your last point, you wouldn't consider that ex-intelligence people might not be related to their respective agencies anymore, and that they abandonded them because they stopped believing in their cause or for another legitimate reason? Choosing to distrust them for life because of their past experience would be to ignore their talent and skill, which are very valuable in the private sector.

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Post by geofft »

cheez wrote: post #58
geofft wrote: post #55

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Yes, I do. Here's a few reasons: - I genuinely think that the Huawei stories are by and large protectionist fearmongering and that Huawei products would win in a free and high-information (and high-correct-information, of course) market. I think better, cheaper products are good for the US. - If Huawei is actually using their products to spy, or there is even a belief of such, that incentivizes the use of end-to-end…

> - I don't think China is any more evil than the US. https://www.wired.com/story/inside-chinas-massive-surveillan... Slightly worse, I would think. Another reason not to give up your guns to the benevolence of government.

You're right, the US government would never violently expand its borders and encourage settlers from the majority race, oppress the existing people with police brutality, and track people through their smartphones.

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Post by dbuder »

jacquesm wrote: post #20
mathnmusic wrote: post #14

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Someone should tell this to MongoDB which took funding from CIA.

I'd think Palantir would make for a better example. Simply look at anything that InQTel has funded. https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/in-q-tel

And they are generally regarded as evil, complete with evil fantasy name.

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Post by est »

MiroF wrote: post #26

wild - this thread appears to be brigaded by pro CCP posters

I've seen too many Chinese pro-CCP posters, they have the exact same logic like you. Any Chinese likes USA must be a traitor aka 汉奸. If you like Google, you are a pro-USA traitor. Use cracked Windows because Microsoft is destroying Chinese OSs, Apple is spying on Chinese on behalf of US interests, don't use Cisco routers because it's backdoored by the CIA, etc.

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Post by b_tterc_p »

microcolonel wrote: post #62
half-kh-hacker wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding: > - I don't think China is any more evil than the US. In my opinion, citizens of China have it far worse, due to things like the Great Firewall. I'd much rather live in the US than China, at least it's vaguely democratic.

Also, China is willing to be more evil to Americans than the U.S. is to Americans .

This is getting downvoted but it’s an important sentiment. You can argue that America and China are equally bad (I disagree), but regardless, you can’t really argue that America and China are equally bad to Americans.

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Post by tempguy9999 »

KeAShizuku wrote: post #39
darawk wrote: post #25

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I think the big difference is that US companies can meaningfully resist the US government if they choose to, and they often do. Chinese companies cannot.

The difference is America good China bad. And thats fine if you're a US citizen swallowing the propaganda. I don't think anti Chinese sentiment is going to make the world better. China exists and its not going to disappear.

> I don't think anti Chinese sentiment [...]

I don't see any. The 'anti-' prefix is about human rights, possible issues of IP theft and various immoral activities etc. It's the behaviour, emphatically not the country.

> China exists and its not going to disappear

Good. It would be a genuine loss to all humanity's heritage if it did.

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Post by b_tterc_p »

geofft wrote: post #65
cheez wrote: post #58

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> - I don't think China is any more evil than the US. https://www.wired.com/story/inside-chinas-massive-surveillan... Slightly worse, I would think. Another reason not to give up your guns to the benevolence of government.

You're right, the US government would never violently expand its borders and encourage settlers from the majority race, oppress the existing people with police brutality, and track people through their smartphones.

these points are all out of a reasonable time frame or far exaggerated against American government vs the Chinese government

Like, yeah, we have police brutality, and it’s a real problem. But did we crush a bunch of student protestors into human pancakes and then forbid anyone from talking about it? No.

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