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I’ve Picked My Job over My Kids

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Re: I’ve Picked My Job over My Kids

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I respect her choice but I wouldn’t want to be her kid

lol, my coworker always goes off on a rant about how much it would suck being elon musk's kids. can't convince him its just a different upbringing

We don’t know if it would suck, since we know neither Elon nor his kids personally. However, we do know that Elon can’t be spending much time with them.

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> 6) It's impossible to perfectly balance a 40 hour working week and family. Best you can aim for is a kind of homeostasis where work suffers for family one week and then family suffers a bit for work the next. The article refers to things like: > But there is always another client to defend, story to write or struggling student who just can’t wait. Here are things I have missed: my daughter’s seventh birthday, my so…

Americans assign a silly and unjustified sentimental value to things like birthday parties and school outings. Part of my wife’s family is Jehovah’s witnesses, who don’t even celebrate birthdays. Are those kids somehow missing out? Do you think the immigrant parents that own a Chinese restaurant open seven days a week make it to any of their kids school functions or camping trips? Are they being irreparably damaged?

> Do you think the immigrant parents that own a Chinese restaurant open seven days a week make it to any of their kids school functions or camping trips? Are they being irreparably damaged?

Based on my experience going to college with a few kids like that, yes. They all resented their childhood and the fact that the only way to see their parents was to work in the restaurant.

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> 6) It's impossible to perfectly balance a 40 hour working week and family. Best you can aim for is a kind of homeostasis where work suffers for family one week and then family suffers a bit for work the next. The article refers to things like: > But there is always another client to defend, story to write or struggling student who just can’t wait. Here are things I have missed: my daughter’s seventh birthday, my so…

Americans assign a silly and unjustified sentimental value to things like birthday parties and school outings. Part of my wife’s family is Jehovah’s witnesses, who don’t even celebrate birthdays. Are those kids somehow missing out? Do you think the immigrant parents that own a Chinese restaurant open seven days a week make it to any of their kids school functions or camping trips? Are they being irreparably damaged?

I don’t know the complete details of Jehovah’s Witnesses. But then not celebrating birthdays along with not celebrating [almost] any other major fun holiday among things does seem to be a definite negative aspect.

I’ve read if you accuse someone in the religion of abuse and the only thing you have is he said she said, then the accuser is essentially iced out and ostracized from their religious culture/society. This includes children.

Unless I’m mistaken, it does seem like the Witnesses are having children miss out on what you stated and in general seem like a bad example to bring up.

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For both parents working all the time, it is a negative for most children.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans assign a silly and unjustified sentimental value to things like birthday parties and school outings. Part of my wife’s family is Jehovah’s witnesses, who don’t even celebrate birthdays. Are those kids somehow missing out? Do you think the immigrant parents that own a Chinese restaurant open seven days a week make it to any of their kids school functions or camping trips? Are they being irreparably damaged?

> Do you think the immigrant parents that own a Chinese restaurant open seven days a week make it to any of their kids school functions or camping trips? Are they being irreparably damaged? Based on my experience going to college with a few kids like that, yes. They all resented their childhood and the fact that the only way to see their parents was to work in the restaurant.

Yet they’re in college. Their parents having prioritized work over their kids undoubtedly will allow those kids to live an immensely better life than they would have otherwise. There’s millions of people in the world that would trade places with them in a heartbeat.

One of my fears is that my kids will learn these bad American ideas from media. I saw my daughter watching a Disney show (Bunk’d), where a high achieving Asian girl was telling her parents they “pushed her too hard.” No wonder China is eating our lunch.

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> 6) It's impossible to perfectly balance a 40 hour working week and family. Best you can aim for is a kind of homeostasis where work suffers for family one week and then family suffers a bit for work the next. The article refers to things like: > But there is always another client to defend, story to write or struggling student who just can’t wait. Here are things I have missed: my daughter’s seventh birthday, my so…

Americans assign a silly and unjustified sentimental value to things like birthday parties and school outings. Part of my wife’s family is Jehovah’s witnesses, who don’t even celebrate birthdays. Are those kids somehow missing out? Do you think the immigrant parents that own a Chinese restaurant open seven days a week make it to any of their kids school functions or camping trips? Are they being irreparably damaged?

You're right. It's all about how we set our values. Like for some perhaps spending B'day with the kids is more valuable for some (including my family) birthday is just another day in the month.

Are younger generations in the age of social media who are eager to share their b'day celeb pics set their value right? That's a thing to be pondered upon.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you think the immigrant parents that own a Chinese restaurant open seven days a week make it to any of their kids school functions or camping trips? Are they being irreparably damaged? Based on my experience going to college with a few kids like that, yes. They all resented their childhood and the fact that the only way to see their parents was to work in the restaurant.

Yet they’re in college. Their parents having prioritized work over their kids undoubtedly will allow those kids to live an immensely better life than they would have otherwise. There’s millions of people in the world that would trade places with them in a heartbeat. One of my fears is that my kids will learn these bad American ideas from media. I saw my daughter watching a Disney show (Bunk’d), where a high achieving…

Ironically, no matter how attentive of a parent you are, your daughter is in fact likely to pick up ideas like that from media, her friends, and the surrounding culture. Alas!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19833853

https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/bul-136-6-915.pdf > Taken together, the results of these analyses suggest that ma- ternal employment early in a child’s life is not commonly associ- ated with decreases in later achievement or increases in behavior problems.

> negative findings associated with employment during the child’s first year are compatible with calls for more generous maternal leave policies.

The other one says a similar thing. They both seem to say that for the first year or two having a stay at home parent is beneficial, but beyond that it doesn't really matter.

These seem like significant and durable results on how to raise a child beyond parental income

Re: I’ve Picked My Job over My Kids

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Coincidently I just saw a convincing interview with a father from the Greatest Generation where he shares his regrets on being a famous yet absent father:

https://youtu.be/GJMciK6xWrk

I'm not judging her preference on having a successful career - I'm the same actually - yet I don't plan to have children because of that very reason...

I remember that Dr Gabor Maté also talks a lot about the scars and potential trauma a child can be left with when neglected. I remember presence of both parents to be of paramount importance. And that's not "only" a problem for the child but for society at large.

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post #41

So many I's.

Your short comment rings very true to me and reminded me of Adam Curtis' "Century of the Self" theory which in his latest documentary "Hypernormalization" gets developed even further. I guess you might know it but for those who don't - both freely available on youtube.

Century of the Self: https://youtu.be/eJ3RzGoQC4s

Hypernormalization https://youtu.be/F8YqRaZSZWo

Adam Curtis: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis

Re: I’ve Picked My Job over My Kids

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My mother was amazing in that no matter when I called her on the phone, it was impossible to tell if she was in an important meeting.

I'd call her after school and chat for a while, only a to find out a bit later that she was in the middle of closing a huge deal!

This made me feel like a million bucks - to know that even though she was very busy, I was still important enough to have her full attention whenever I called her.

I always "felt" like I was more important than her work.

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