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India reportedly wants to build its own WhatsApp for government communications

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Re: India reportedly wants to build its own WhatsApp for government communications

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What do they have to hide? Internal communication is usually great source for historians and posterity. Not to mention parliamentary investigative bodies.

> What do they have to hide?

This is the kind of dangerous statement that has done more damage to privacy and security conversation than anything else. Please stop.

Re: India reportedly wants to build its own WhatsApp for government communications

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I hope they commission a project to build this completely indigenously to be built from scratch and set the scale requirements high enough to scale to 100million+ people in a single private organization along with stringent sufficiently future proof security requirements.

India has a very large base of software engineers, security researchers and local cloud builders that would love to contribute to such a project.

Re: India reportedly wants to build its own WhatsApp for government communications

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Bet you TCS or most likely Infosys will be the implementation partner. Tax money goes in. Crap comes out. As usual. Public will sing praises.

I have read somewhere that this software will work in perfect harmony with Aakash tablet: another state of the art government project.

Our beloved PM sending messages via 'Raamdoot' messenger on Aakash tablet will set the tone for entire bureaucracy.

Re: India reportedly wants to build its own WhatsApp for government communications

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Why don't they just support the growth of their own homegrown "WhatsApp"?

With government support and financial support, india could easily have an indian "whatsapp". WhatsApp isn't technological sophisticated. It's simply a large network. With government/business "tweaking", india could help their own "whatsapp" company take over much of that market from facebook.

Why hand the entire indian market over to facebook and zuckerburg?

There is no reason why large and significant markets shouldn't be dominated by local businesses. Not to say whatsapp should be banned from india, but it's only the incompetence of government/business that cedes their market to foreign companies. This also applies to the EU. It's insane to me that the EU doesn't have their own google, facebook, etc.

Re: India reportedly wants to build its own WhatsApp for government communications

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Do you have some reference to something that suggests that this is what actually happened? I don't think the US government made Microsoft put weak encryption in export versions of IE because India tested a nuke.

Sorry! I tried so bad to find it but couldn't :-( Someday ..

I think you can't find it because it just didn't happen that way and you're misremembering something. The export-crippled cryptography in browsers was a real thing but it got there before the Indian nuclear test and for other reasons.

Re: India reportedly wants to build its own WhatsApp for government communications

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The cookie situation has been exacerbated exactly because of the cookie law. Previously I could just block cookies client-side (like any sane user avoiding cookies would) and every site worked just fine. However, after the cookie regulation, numerous sites just straight up started to block access _unless_ you accept their cookies. Cookie regulation is one of the best examples of how governments meddling into tech has…

This is wrong information. Publishers can show a cookie-free site to all visitors and offer a cookie opt-in for some kind of added value, e.g. "more information for membership". There is no governmental force pushing anybody to produce a website that diplays a "cookie dialog" even before you see what that site is about or if you like it. You are producing a false and absurd story of "governments meddling into tech pr…

What I was getting at was that while yes, publishers can show a cookie-free site, many of them stopped doing exactly that. This started happening around the time the cookie regulation was implemented.

Had the regulation at least forbade this behavior, we most likely wouldn't be in this situation.

However, thinking back, I guess it's fair to say that publishers might have implemented this blocking behavior if the governments would only have done a public awareness campaign. In this case, only a minimum set of regulations (ban force acceptance of cookies for static content) would suffice as well.

Re: India reportedly wants to build its own WhatsApp for government communications

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The free edition has no basic access control.

To clarify - you mean that if you have access to the database then you can see all messages?

Anyone can archive any channel in the free instance. It is meant to be used by a trusted team apparently

Re: India reportedly wants to build its own WhatsApp for government communications

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There are suggestions of starting with lots of other non-open source platforms here, but no mention of Signal. That's downright odd. WhatsApp is a fork of Signal. Why on earth wouldn't you just use Signal as your base? After all Signal open sources everything.

That aside, it's a bit of a mystery why anyone would choose a proprietary app whose owner could be in cahoots with anybody and you would never know over an open source app, given the entire point of the exercise to ensure your communications private. Facebook is even talking about monetising WhatsApp chats, and governments are talking about forcing Facebook to store the chats so they can be retrieved with a suitable warrant. Yet people still choose use these apps for private communications. Such is the power of the marketing dollar, I guess.

Re: India reportedly wants to build its own WhatsApp for government communications

#69

Bet you TCS or most likely Infosys will be the implementation partner. Tax money goes in. Crap comes out. As usual. Public will sing praises.

Not that I like TCS or Infosys, but why does everyone appear to hate them so much? If most organisations appear to go with them, is it because they lack market options at what they offer? On the other hand ,Wouldn’t some other govt sub-org like CDAC etc might get to build this via NIC or whomsoever supervises this?

In one word, cost! But you get what you pay for and it shows in the quality of the work. The engineers are just fresh out of college and are given titles like junior dev or senior dev rather quickly to retain them. This combined with fake resumes compound the problem where a solution to any problem is simply reboot the computer. CDAC/NIC are even worse -- just go see the state of some state-run sites, they've got people that are stuck in the past, can't be fired and won't change things because hey, why change things when you will get paid nonetheless!

Re: India reportedly wants to build its own WhatsApp for government communications

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From what I remember, Java engineers were everywhere in India.

Let people know that erlang has demand, you will find a lot of Indian erlang engineers.

Are these Erlang engineers diving into Elixir?
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