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Facebook, Libra, and the Long Game

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Re: Facebook, Libra, and the Long Game

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Could the problem with the damaged brand be a reason why Apple is so keen on becoming a "privacy-as-a-service"-company?

On one hand it is mostly bull. Apple has the benefit of having a “strategy credit” since selling user data is not part of its business model.

But on the other hand, I can’t help but think that a gay CEO who grew up in Alabama really cares about privacy.

Re: Facebook, Libra, and the Long Game

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It's a bit early to tell but... do you lose access to FB, whatsapp or whatever when your computer/smartphone gets infected? Or are you talking about malware designed to transfer money from your account to someone else's? Is this a problem for Paypal?

Paypal can reverse transactions, can Libra? Or is it like bitcoin, where I must protect my private key by any and all means, and then if it's lost, sucks to be me? And yeah, I mean "lose all your money due to a 0 day in your browser".

At least in crypto, that's why things like the Ledger or Trezor are really important, at least if you're storing any non-de-minimus amount. Protects against things like 0-days, etc.

Re: Facebook, Libra, and the Long Game

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I haven’t found many “takes” on Libra talk about Calibra, which is FB’s Libra wallet and, if this thing takes off, would likely by default be the top wallet for Libra transactions.

Calibra would require full identity verification e.g. submitting SSN and a copy of your picture ID. Getting that info is way beyond what FB has about you now.

Re: Facebook, Libra, and the Long Game

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Disappointed Ben didn't add a paragraph or two about privacy concerns. The MC, Visa will float on top of libra unencumbered by bank fees, but our relationship with credit card firms and our privacy is regulated in the western world. The Calibra wallet logic is going to need greater privacy protections for the user or we will have a situation worse than the current platform monopolies, with only pea shooters like the EFF working for users https://www.eff.org/issues/privacy We need new law like the US section 230 for personal rights and privacy as well as free speech https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230

Re: Facebook, Libra, and the Long Game

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I can't help but think that Facebook doomed this "distributed ledger" possibility by trying to be first to market with a tarnished brand. The developing world would hugely benefit from a scalable technology that can efficiently service digital transactions. The piece demonstrates this with how quickly WeChat Pay and Alipay penetrated China. I can't imagine the possibility for prosperity when 3 billion consumers enter…

> The developing world would hugely benefit from a scalable technology that can efficiently service digital transactions. The piece demonstrates this with how quickly WeChat Pay and Alipay penetrated China. I hear this a lot in cryptocurrency threads, and I vehemently disagree. There's no doubt that using "some other currency" (currency or cryptocurrency) is better than using a corrupt, authoritarian regime's currenc…

I fully agree with you.

I'd also like to add something that I consider the elephant in the room. Haven't tech companies already proven themselves that they're willing to bend to governments' will in order to do business?

No authoritarian government will welcome Libra with open arms. If the currency won't bend to their will, then they will simply ban it and then it becomes (at best) a black market good.

There's also another issue: how do you value it so that it becomes useful to everyone? If I'm in Venezuela getting paid in bolivars then my money already has no power to begin with.

It will also be hard to manage for a lot of people. I doubt some average Joe in a poor country will want to complicate himself by buying something at 0.0000000231 Libra. It will require a lot of cognitive power to not get scammed.

Re: Facebook, Libra, and the Long Game

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What's the counterargument to this?

The incentives don't seem to align in that direction. What would be the point for Facebook to create a promote such a currency if they can't control it at some level? I fully expect that even if the core of the cryptocurrency might actually be decentralized and not directly controlled by Facebook (and I don't believe that either, for the record) the practical implementation of this will give Facebook more than enough…

But given the system laid out in the white paper, what specifically gives Facebook the ability to exert this kind of control, even in the long run?

I think we all agree that Facebook is incentivized to behave in certain ways, but if self-limitation is baked into the system, how does that matter?

This is a genuine question for which I would love an answer.

Re: Facebook, Libra, and the Long Game

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I'm crossing my fingers that this pseudo crypto money never takes off. Having Facebook control this would be so terrible and the proof that we didn't learn anything over the last couple months. Don't fool yourself even though they released a white paper and some pseudo decentralized schemes this is no different than a casino chip. Unfortunately I feel like it might pick up and become a thing.

I've dabbled out of morbid curiosity in the space previously—but I'm in the same boat.

Out of all of the good-will projects they could spearhead if they want to turn the tides of FB's reputation, they decide to try and supplant money. To me it just screams that it's one more domain they want to assert some control in.

I find it depressing.

Re: Facebook, Libra, and the Long Game

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I too dismissed Libra out of hand, but the coalition that Facebook is building is interesting. People say that "Fintech threatens the banks" but almost all Fintech companies partner with the banks in one way or another. Look at the companies involved with Libra and see that none of them are banks. Libra will still have a lot of money on deposit with the banks, but it might be the first Fintech that will really bypass…

That's not going to happen. As soon as it does, we'll be seeing a crackdown on a wider swathe than just banks. What scares the bejesus out of me is what happens when tooling to link up personal data from data aggregators plus sufficient tooling around blockchain analysis is built such that a realtime tracking system of financial to other activity becomes possible. A full public record of all financial transactions is…

Monero for the win....the only truly fully anonymous cryptocurrency. Even if it never takes off, the existence of privacy-oriented coins like it can help influence public awareness of the importance of financial and personal privacy.

Re: Facebook, Libra, and the Long Game

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> The largest leap will come last: Libra as a genuine currency, not simply a medium for transaction. This will be function of volume in the previous two use cases, and is understandably concerning to governments all over the world. Well that's certainly an understatement. This is literally the only mention of government through-out the entire article. The only mention of banks is in the previous paragraph stating the…

facebook has also proposed some sort of quasi-independent regulatory body to oversee facebook in an attempt to stave off government regulation.[0] It seems they really are trying to turn the nation states of the world inside out and make them subservient to corporations.

[0]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/07/opinion/facebook-content-...

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