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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Perhaps I missed it but is it known specifically why that person was uninvited to begin with?

> My team and I were contacted by different people to warn us that they were uncomfortable with the participation of a speaker and her boyfriend in our conference. They told the organization of the conference that this couple had caused problems to women in the community.

> Several people who knew both of them confirmed that they had had problems with them in the past. We also talked with the organizers of other conferences and with dev that are part of gender groups focalized in technology and all of them recommended us to take distance from them.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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post #23

I am glad this was written without naming the people involved. Although I see nothing wrong with naming names in situations like this (see below) the lack of specific names meant I could focus on the experiences (as related by the poster) rather than having the specific people colour my opinion. The reason I think specifying people by name would have been OK is that 1 - they were presumably an issue for a number of a…

> I see nothing wrong with naming names As he is pursuing legal options, I’m guessing his counsel told him not to.

He named people (and showed pictures of messages) on Twitter in this convo [1], FWIW.

At this point, I think it's more to avoid further escalation, as said in the article.

[1]https://twitter.com/unbalancedparen/status/11223070591548702...

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#63
I've been a co-convener for two Python conferences in Vancouver.

The conferences were small (For me, the key sources of stress were:

1. hoping that tickets and sponsorship would cover our costs (at some point you have to pay for your venue, flights for your keynotes, etc. and this happens before ticket sales open). I think that we lost a few hundred dollars on the first conference and donated a few hundred dollars to the Python Software Foundation on the second one.

2. the BBQ. For both years, I arranged a beach BBQ but didn't have enough budget to deal with contingencies in the event of rain (remember this is Vancouver so the chance definitely exists). My plan was to refund attendees if we canceled the BBQ but that would have been thousands of dollars out of my pocket and lots of disappointed people. Fortunately, it didn't rain in either years.

I would say that convening a conference in a city where you have lots of connections really helps. For example, I was able to buy salmon direct from the docks for the BBQ because I knew someone who was willing to help me. I also used my family as the chefs (https://photos.app.goo.gl/C6yNzqMnBG98GxE36).

What I do remember being hard was not the planning but going without sleep during the conference itself. As a convener, I had to be at the venue before any attendees arrived, had to leave after the last attendee left and then still had to deal with issues, etc. for the next day.

Still it was tonnes of fun!

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#64

Small potatoes. I can't imagine legal action helping much. Move on from the unpleasant experience and help others who face greater injustices.

>I can't imagine legal action helping much.

If they're continuing to harass them as described, it seems like a prudent choice.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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post #57

I'm a big fan of "unbalancedparen". He's a great guy; smart and considerate. I think the Industry has invited this sort of bad behavior by rewarding Cry Bullies at conferences. People act enititled and they're not willing to put up with speakers who they may have political or philosophical problems with. Similarly, speakers are expecting privileged treatment too, like the spurned speaker in this blog posting. When th…

In the example ... there appear to be no "Cry Bullies" or similar action.

> ..."At that precise moment I saw the former speaker. She was calling the security of the event and using her cellphone to record me. She yelling that I was at the conference to stalk her, and that I was harassing her and following her. I never thought something like this could ever happen. It is worth noting that, at this point, I had only talked over the phone with her once, met her in person also once and, as I stated before, I had received several persistent communications on her."

Sure sounds like a "cry bully" to me. Despicable behavior for sure, and it does validate his decision to not have her at the conference (after he was made aware that her participation at the conference would be highly problematic to others - particularly women, in fact).

Edit: Also a representative example from the twitter threads that were linked elsewhere in this comment thread: `"uh these people are like that, be careful. they take it out on someone, they see em as the enemy and they start to fuck legally, and you also start getting anonymous complaints". I feel like a fool, many knew and I did not. That's why these things have to be SPOKEN about, they shouldn't be hidden`

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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post #61

Perhaps I missed it but is it known specifically why that person was uninvited to begin with?

> My team and I were contacted by different people to warn us that they were uncomfortable with the participation of a speaker and her boyfriend in our conference. They told the organization of the conference that this couple had caused problems to women in the community. > Several people who knew both of them confirmed that they had had problems with them in the past. We also talked with the organizers of other conf…

I was hoping for something more specific i.e. concrete actions

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#67

Small potatoes. I can't imagine legal action helping much. Move on from the unpleasant experience and help others who face greater injustices.

You underestimate how far some people are willing to go to harass someone, and in his case it has financial consequences, hence the lawyers.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there's a well-known imbalance, and not everything balances itself. Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.

should we be aggressively encouraging men to take up nursing?

If you want the real examples, you look at daycare workers and elementary teachers. Insurance is an issue with daycares that hire male workers. Plus, you have quite a few parents that are fine with their boys being changed by women, but not their daughters being changed by men. Thus the problems, plus the pervasive stories of child molestation and societal stigma against males in this area.

The shame of it is that witnessing positive interaction between the sexes at that age would do quite a bit for the children later in life. Particularly in communities where the percentage of in-household fathers is low.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Perhaps I missed it but is it known specifically why that person was uninvited to begin with?

They were warned by others that the speaker and her boyfriend are troublemakers:

> My team and I were contacted by different people to warn us that they were uncomfortable with the participation of a speaker and her boyfriend in our conference. They told the organization of the conference that this couple had caused problems to women in the community.

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