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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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To what degree has Britain's waning influence contributed to this? London was historically Europe's most competent commercially-minded city. I'm hopeful to see a counterbalance emerge in Frankfurt or Paris, but the writing on the wall indicates that's unlikely.

What makes you think the UK is against stupid copyright measures?

It's currently unlawful to format-shift (eg, rip CD to MP3) in England, so it's unlikely we'd have put up much argument against this.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Well, my position has been that platforms have been built on the knowledge that they're heavily used for content theft but that they're shielded from liability for it unfairly. (See Section 230 here in the US). And I think the tech industry is a pox on our news media and the money they need to do real investigative work. (See Apple taking like a solid 50% revenue on their news service.) I'm reasonably happy the EU is…

> platforms have been built on the knowledge that they're heavily used for content theft Yes, and most providers have usually done a good job at reducing content theft on their platforms, to the extent of their capabilities. The only thing that has changed is that now they can be punished for not meeting someone elses subjective standard. > I'm reasonably happy the EU is interested in shifting profits back away from…

Machine learning based moderation has time and time again proven to be woefully inadequate. Human intervention is required, and Content ID does not meet the requirements of this new article. And I would argue the amount of cash Google and Facebook stockpile rather than hiring human moderators reflects that they are doing far from "their best".

Platforms that have human reviewed content or where people self-host their own content will have no issues with this change, and platforms will be likely significantly less profitable if they truly move to comply with the law, as it will require armies of humans, or massive liability costs.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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You're not alone. Hungarian elections, Brexit, this - it all feels like what people actually want, is ignored.

hungarians mostly voted for the current government. I don't like Orban, and his propaganda is shameful, but what he does is exactly what people want (and corruption on the side). The opposition does not have any shared platform that the majority of the people would want, other than "not orban".

> The opposition does not have any shared platform

That's how it should be. 5-6 medium sized parties. Having only 2 choices is not democracy either.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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I think there is a feeling that this law was largely authored by/for narrow (commercial) interests in the entertainment industry, with little to no regard for its consequences for other parts of the web like open discussion forums and projects such as Wikipedia.

The tech industry are also major lobbyists, who often spend more on influencing politicians in their favor than the entertainment industry does. Commercial interests were on both sides, as much as they'd like you to believe it was a valiant fight of the little guys to save the Internet.

hard to argue that, given the actual in-person turnout at protests, and the role that EDRI and other NGOs played. Those involved there have been very active, and very public, for a long time. Julia Reda is one of them, but maybe also google Thomas Lohninger.

Of course google/fb etc had a stake in this and were lobbying. They're not the ones who stand to lose from this outcome though, even if that's what the Axel Voss & team would like to believe.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Perhaps if you see EU parliament as "lobby-bought", you can accept there is good reason to oppose the EU, and stop calling brexiteers "nationalists".

There are no polls left showing support for Leave, and still parliament is pursuing it. Good reason to leave UK.

There was a referendum, who cares what the polls say.

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The EU is not democratic at all. Especially because the unelected European Commission has executive and legislative power. The parliament only has veto rights and even at that it spectacularly fails as Art. 17 shows. The whole thing was a backroom deal between Germany (which wants gas from Russia) and France (which apparently really likes ultra restrictive Copyright). We would have the same result without this fake t…

Abolishing the EU would have the unfortunate consequence of unmitigated Russian influence over all of East Europe. The system needs to change, but abolishing the EU entirely would be a net loss.

I don't live in East Europe. Why should I care?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

Democracy does not mean that you always get what you want. A majority in parliament and the council were in favor of this law, so you can't say it's undemocratic.

Democracy does not mean that the parliament and council is in favor, but that "the people" (translation of "demos") have "power" (translation of "kratos").

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

The EU is not democratic at all. Especially because the unelected European Commission has executive and legislative power. The parliament only has veto rights and even at that it spectacularly fails as Art. 17 shows. The whole thing was a backroom deal between Germany (which wants gas from Russia) and France (which apparently really likes ultra restrictive Copyright). We would have the same result without this fake t…

> Time to abolish the EU.

What? Dude, the EU can only do this because the member-states are backing it. European politics is corrupt at least from the national level up. Would you abolish countries next? Because that's what it'd take.

I see the problem within society. There's too many people who care only about themselves and who don't mind at all if their neighbors got thrown under the bus by politics, even if they don't even gain anything. It's a problem of mentality.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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No, they voted for lies.

Which is a case in point about the will of the people. Especially in very complicated situations, the people do not necessarily understand the impact of their choices, which is why they select representatives to act in their stead.

The choice offered was a 'have cake, unicorns and rainbows with a free puppy' or remain in the EU. How were they expected to understand the real impact of their choice when it was so blatantly missold?

"There is no plan for no deal, because we'll easily get a great deal" Boris Johnson.

"getting out of the EU can be quick and easy - the UK holds most of the cards in any negotiation" John Redwood.

I'm sorry, but in what universe are the terms for non members going to be better than the terms for members? The banks were expected to compensate for the insurance misselling scandal...

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