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Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

gmueckl wrote: post #48
buboard wrote: post #7

will there be a "reinvoke article 50" after this?

Not easily. There is a court ruling that states that invoking Article 50 repeatedly can be seen as an illegal abuse of the rule to exert undue pressure on the EU. So if Britain wants to do it all again, they need to clear that bar.

> There is a court ruling that states that invoking Article 50 repeatedly can be seen as an illegal abuse of the rule to exert undue pressure on the EU

So Britain would try to invoke Article 50, the EU would say “no,” and then...? Civil war? Hard Brexit?

Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit

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Post by arethuza »

ariehkovler wrote: post #17

Hey, that's my tweet! At the time it went down, I was seeing 2k signups a minute and rising. I was just thinking how the load handling was impressive when poof it was down. Back now, though, which is also pretty good. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584 UPDATE: It's down again. 502 bad gateway. I was seeing close to 3k signups a minute when it fell over this time. UPDATE 2: Seems to be back? Clearly unsta…

I did see a few 502 pages, but eventually got it to work - haven't received the email though.

Update: Eventually got the email and confirmed my support.

Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit

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Post by zero_iq »

gpmcadam wrote: post #32
douglasfshearer wrote: post #3

One of the developers tweeted last night "...nowhere near crashing the site - you all need to try harder tomorrow" https://twitter.com/pixeltrix/status/1108518184301268995

How do you know that's one of the developers?

It seems pretty plausible. His tweets give information about why the site crashed, some discussion about how the back-end works, and the company he claims to work for lists the Petitions website as one of their projects.

Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit

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Post by huffmsa »

minikites wrote: post #46
jonplackett wrote: post #21

Petitions for Brexit are completely pointless. We already know half the country wants to leave and half wants to stay, so unless that petition has more than 33 million signatures then it doesn't prove much does it. (FYI: I voted remain and think Brexit is completely dumb, but it doesn't change how pointless petitions are for subjects where it's well established what people's opinions are)

>We already know half the country wants to leave and half wants to stay The two halves are not static. Leave voters are predominately older and enough of them have died to shift the proportion ( https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-... ). It's clear that that Leave was a racist ( https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/06/25/483362200... ) campaign designed to frighten old people. >Even if…

You don't get to keep having do overs until enough of your opposition has died to get the result you want.

Might as well just start banning "racists" and other undesirables from the polls outright if that's the path you want to go down.

Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit

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Post by rimliu »

SeanDav wrote: post #27
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Brexiteers had won when they successfully framed Brexit as "the will of the 17M". Remainers didn't counter-frame this with "50M didn't vote for Brexit". Therefor all the marches, petitions etc. are always/can be ignored in the context of "but the will of the 17M". "Don't Think of an Elephant!" is now such an old book, and still a lot of people haven't read it. Brexiteers have read it it seems.

If someone does not vote, when there was ample opportunity to do so, then they implicitly are accepting the outcome - whichever way it goes. This actually should read "Brexit - The will of the 17m + 50m who are okay with this" This would have read the same if the result had gone the other way: "Remain - The will of the Xm + 50m who are okay with this" At the end of the day, there was a vote and more people wanted Bre…

We are having a lot of elections this year, so one meme floats around on FB: "Bad government is that happens when good people do not vote".

Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit

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Post by Khol »

simonh wrote: post #40
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Brexiteers had won when they successfully framed Brexit as "the will of the 17M". Remainers didn't counter-frame this with "50M didn't vote for Brexit". Therefor all the marches, petitions etc. are always/can be ignored in the context of "but the will of the 17M". "Don't Think of an Elephant!" is now such an old book, and still a lot of people haven't read it. Brexiteers have read it it seems.

I have zero sympathy, or concern for the voices of those who chose not to exercise their right to vote. The 50m (not that many - see Khol's reply) had their chance and blew it, and I say that as someone who voted remain and thinks this whole thing is a disaster, and leaving either with the May deal (bad) or the hard way (worse) would both be worse than staying. However, the people had their chance and they voted to l…

The 50m is a slightly misleading point (it includes everyone too young to vote, whatever their viewpoint) but there's a much stronger case to take into account the perspective of the 16m people who voted against this car crash.

To declare that because a poorly defined proposition sold with untruth and misdirection won out in a vote means that we can't reflect on what is now known is absurd.

Re: UK Parliament petitions site crashes under traffic for petition to cancel Brexit

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Post by franky47 »

europsucks wrote: post #39
colinramsay wrote: post #5

These petitions are almost always met with a boilerplate response. There was a recent one (which I can't find as the site's currently down) regarding Russian interference in the last UK election, with the government response being along the lines of "we don't know what you're talking about, move on". More on that here: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/b2vmm0/gover... While the huge number of signings o…

Wouldn't it be meaningless, anyway, unless you compare it to the number of people who are opposed to the petition?

I made a progress bar against the NoDeal counter-petition: https://brexit-petitions-count.now.sh

(Pending API availability)

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