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Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by throw2016 »

This is a witch hunt that will undermine confidence in the global economic system. Everything one can accuse Huawei of can be applied against any tech company - and for some with hard evidence and most here know.

This can easily backfire with tech companies being banned and excluded from markets on frivolous grounds without due process in the same way.

It cannot just be some can undermine competition and limit access to markets with scaremongering and wild allegations. If free markets and competition are mere political constructs to benefit a few then the whole system is effectively over.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by SEJeff »

wolfgke wrote: post #60
SEJeff wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and much of the EU internet traffic, including to/from germany, goes through the UK. I'm not sure why I'm being downvoted for pointing out a relevant fact on US and western allies who share intel and basically have tapped most all of the fiber in the world via legal or illegal methods (per the snowden docs).

> and much of the EU internet traffic, including to/from germany, goes through the UK. Indeed - and many German citizens who are interested in such topics find this concerning exactly because of Five Eyes. My comment that Germany is not part of Five Eyes > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19399560 refers to its grandparent > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19398858 which I requote here: "Western governments…

bingo. The BND and NSA work very closely together even if they aren't in FVEY. This is quite well known, but it makes a lot of sense in the face of Russian/NK/Chinese aggressions. As much as our president wants you to not believe, we are stronger together.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by [deleted] »

deugtniet wrote: post #14

I think there is one reason why western governments are opposed to Huawei systems in their communications networks. Western governments have historically had more trust in the US being a partner they can rely on, which is not the case (yet) for the Chinese. All governments spy on each other, and they do whatever is necessary for their spying needs, the US, European nations as well as the Chinese. And I bet this inclu…

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Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by Sylamore »

ardy42 wrote: post #47
cyphunk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

also if in the future we actually make cellular standards where encryption isn't demarcated at the tower and instead setup e2e between consumer devices, some risks are mitigated it's really a shame that with both 4g and 5g standards bodies did not already work on this.

> instead setup e2e between consumer devices, some risks are mitigated Only some, though. The metadata will still be there to be collected, which I understand is more valuable than you'd assume on first glance.

Metadata is more than enough: https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metad...

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by dang »

ElBarto wrote: post #59
jamesrcole wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's obvious you can't address the substance of my comment when you can only reply with that. Only unclear to me? That's obviously untrue, because I can see your earlier replies to me are grayed out from downvotes by others (note especially the "My comment was crystal clear" one), and I know that my comments have been upvoted by several people who clearly think the same about your comment as I do.

Talking about overestimating something... Now please leave me alone and find someone else to troll.

If you continue to break the site guidelines like this we are going to have to ban you again.

Plenty of other users are able to express views similar to yours without crossing into incivility or posting flamebait. Please be like them.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by craftyguy »

wolfgke wrote: post #52
craftyguy wrote: post #49

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They never claimed Germany was. The wiki link in GP doesn't list Germany as being a part of the five eyes.

> They never claimed Germany was. The article is about Germany.

Germany does not live in a vacuum.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by ardy42 »

lustysocietyorg wrote: post #56
ardy42 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Certain opinions or facts are downvoted without any contradicting facts. Now matter how reasonable the opinion or true the fact is. Not really in this case. Take the comment in question: there's no fact or even much opinion there. It's mostly innuendo. Good moderators will downvote trollish comments, or flamebait, or comments that lead in other unproductive or uninteresting directions, regardless of the "opinions o…

What are the facts against Huawei ? Do you have any ? Here are some facts against the USA and European politicians and secret services and their collusion: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-g... Quote: The spying row has also been stirred by allegations that Merkel’s staff gave the German BND foreign intelligence agency a green light to help the NSA spy on European firms and officials. https:…

>>> Certain opinions or facts are downvoted without any contradicting facts. Now matter how reasonable the opinion or true the fact is.

>> Not really in this case. Take the comment in question: there's no fact or even much opinion there. It's mostly innuendo.

> What are the facts against Huawei ? Do you have any ?

What about Huawei? I was talking about ElBarto's comment, as is everyone in this entire thread. He was just scolded by a mod about his conduct, so I don't think my take was too far off.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by lustysocietyorg »

ardy42 wrote: post #67
lustysocietyorg wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the facts against Huawei ? Do you have any ? Here are some facts against the USA and European politicians and secret services and their collusion: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-g... Quote: The spying row has also been stirred by allegations that Merkel’s staff gave the German BND foreign intelligence agency a green light to help the NSA spy on European firms and officials. https:…

>>> Certain opinions or facts are downvoted without any contradicting facts. Now matter how reasonable the opinion or true the fact is. >> Not really in this case. Take the comment in question: there's no fact or even much opinion there. It's mostly innuendo. > What are the facts against Huawei ? Do you have any ? What about Huawei? I was talking about ElBarto's comment , as is everyone in this entire thread. He was…

I do not remember anymore what ElBarto wrote and it is censored now.

But it was related to the boycott of Huawei. It was reasonable like all other good critical comments that were downvoted to a grey font color at that time. I replied to the poster who wondered why ElBarto's post was downvoted because there was nothing wrong with it when I read it.

Besides, my comment was downvoted too without any valid criticism and thus it was validated.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

#69

Post by ardy42 »

lustysocietyorg wrote: post #68
ardy42 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> Certain opinions or facts are downvoted without any contradicting facts. Now matter how reasonable the opinion or true the fact is. >> Not really in this case. Take the comment in question: there's no fact or even much opinion there. It's mostly innuendo. > What are the facts against Huawei ? Do you have any ? What about Huawei? I was talking about ElBarto's comment , as is everyone in this entire thread. He was…

I do not remember anymore what ElBarto wrote and it is censored now. But it was related to the boycott of Huawei. It was reasonable like all other good critical comments that were downvoted to a grey font color at that time. I replied to the poster who wondered why ElBarto's post was downvoted because there was nothing wrong with it when I read it. Besides, my comment was downvoted too without any valid criticism and…

> I do not remember anymore what ElBarto wrote and it is censored now.

> I replied to the poster who wondered why ElBarto's post was downvoted because there was nothing wrong with it when I read it.

There was something wrong with it, but you didn't understand it. That's fine, but understand that things you can't perceive still exist. Lots of people found fault with it, including a mod. Don't you think that could mean something actually was wrong with it?

However, if you've already forgotten it, maybe we should drop it?

> But it was related to the boycott of Huawei.

Barely and unproductively, as I outlined above.

> Besides, my comment was downvoted too without any valid criticism and thus it was validated.

It's common practice here to downvote comments that complain about downvotes, because they don't actually add to the discussion. Complaining about voting is frowned upon.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by lustysocietyorg »

ardy42 wrote: post #69
lustysocietyorg wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not remember anymore what ElBarto wrote and it is censored now. But it was related to the boycott of Huawei. It was reasonable like all other good critical comments that were downvoted to a grey font color at that time. I replied to the poster who wondered why ElBarto's post was downvoted because there was nothing wrong with it when I read it. Besides, my comment was downvoted too without any valid criticism and…

> I do not remember anymore what ElBarto wrote and it is censored now. > I replied to the poster who wondered why ElBarto's post was downvoted because there was nothing wrong with it when I read it. There was something wrong with it, but you didn't understand it. That's fine, but understand that things you can't perceive still exist. Lots of people found fault with it, including a mod. Don't you think that could mean…

> It's common practice here to downvote comments that complain about downvotes, because they don't actually add to the discussion. Complaining about voting is frowned upon.

I answered a question.

Downvoting without giving a reason is lazy selfish cowardly trolling without contributing anything useful.

A downvote is even worse than an insult because:

- an insult shows the mindset and the stupidity of the insulting person.

- as intended, a downvote leads to deranking of the comment and thus "eradication" for many other readers who do not care to read downvoted comments or the last comments of many.

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