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Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by naniwaduni »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #60
HAL9000Ti wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a myth, "bing" does means "sick". It also means other things like "ice", but "sick" is the first thing that comes to mind, and in China this is especially a big deal due to superstitions. Naming things is very important here. amusing anecdote: I remember a discussion about someone who wanted to name his shop 森林木 (three trees symbol, two trees symbol, one tree symbol) and everyone told him it was a bad idea a…

No, "bing" by itself does not mean sick. The sound "bing" maps to at least 59 possible characters across the 4 tones[0] of Mandarin. Only one particular character that maps to "bing4" means sick and it's one out of at least 21 possibilities[1], though I'll grant that it's the one that people are most likely to think of first. Moreover, as it's normally pronounced by westerners, Bing would most likely map to "bing1" a…

> Moreover, as it's normally pronounced by westerners, Bing would most likely map to "bing1" anyway.

Sounds more like bing4 to my ear, but see for yourself:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Zh-bing1... (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bing1#Mandarin)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Zh-b%C3%... (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/b%C3%ACng#Mandarin)

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by paradoxparalax »

idrios wrote: post #3

This actually surprises me for how much effort Microsoft puts into being compliant with China. Last year China took down Yahoo! too, despite Yahoo's relationship with Alibaba. I was an expat last year and with Google (& DuckDuckGo) blocked I already had pretty few options of search engine. Short of learning enough Chinese to manage Baidu, I can't imagine how hard it would be to use internet as a foreigner in China no…

Virtually anyone in China, even the Chinese people, just use a VPN or SSH, or both, and your internet is ok.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by idrios »

paradoxparalax wrote: post #62
idrios wrote: post #3

This actually surprises me for how much effort Microsoft puts into being compliant with China. Last year China took down Yahoo! too, despite Yahoo's relationship with Alibaba. I was an expat last year and with Google (& DuckDuckGo) blocked I already had pretty few options of search engine. Short of learning enough Chinese to manage Baidu, I can't imagine how hard it would be to use internet as a foreigner in China no…

Virtually anyone in China, even the Chinese people, just use a VPN or SSH, or both, and your internet is ok.

But with the crackdowns happening on VPN there still needs to be legitimate options. In my case I was an English teacher, and often we'd need to find resources from the internet for supplementary teaching materials. Can't have VPN on the school computers

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by NamTaf »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #7
idrios wrote: post #3

This actually surprises me for how much effort Microsoft puts into being compliant with China. Last year China took down Yahoo! too, despite Yahoo's relationship with Alibaba. I was an expat last year and with Google (& DuckDuckGo) blocked I already had pretty few options of search engine. Short of learning enough Chinese to manage Baidu, I can't imagine how hard it would be to use internet as a foreigner in China no…

is it possible to use a VPN in the PR of China?

There's several well-known ones that work, and additional projects like Streisand[1] which exist to allow a roll-your-own solution. In all cases, VPNs that work are ones that obfuscate that they're VPNs via varying methods.

Otherwise, as others have said, mobile roaming data is functionally identical in that the data appears to the internet as having come from your home country. Hong Kong offer a few plans that are (relatively) affordable and roam into the mainland.

[1]: https://github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by [deleted] »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #7
idrios wrote: post #3

This actually surprises me for how much effort Microsoft puts into being compliant with China. Last year China took down Yahoo! too, despite Yahoo's relationship with Alibaba. I was an expat last year and with Google (& DuckDuckGo) blocked I already had pretty few options of search engine. Short of learning enough Chinese to manage Baidu, I can't imagine how hard it would be to use internet as a foreigner in China no…

is it possible to use a VPN in the PR of China?

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Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by alecco »

paradoxparalax wrote: post #62
idrios wrote: post #3

This actually surprises me for how much effort Microsoft puts into being compliant with China. Last year China took down Yahoo! too, despite Yahoo's relationship with Alibaba. I was an expat last year and with Google (& DuckDuckGo) blocked I already had pretty few options of search engine. Short of learning enough Chinese to manage Baidu, I can't imagine how hard it would be to use internet as a foreigner in China no…

Virtually anyone in China, even the Chinese people, just use a VPN or SSH, or both, and your internet is ok.

How many social points do they strike when they find you use a VPN?

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by baybal2 »

paradoxparalax wrote: post #59
tenmadlead wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't surprise me if the leaders reversed the decision, instead of it being a technical problem. They've been known to reverse some bad decisions before, like taking coals away from average citizens during winter time. The government seems to be in panic mode, what with the recent news of luxury brands sales crashing 30-50%, lowest economic growth since 1990, 30% of factories have left while another 30% are lookin…

"lowest level of birth since 1961" This is a good thing that shows(if not proves)that they are getting out of poverty. And is something they pursued for decades, so this is pointless info for the point you make: "China gov in Panick mode" Now, The current President, was already born with the lack of confidence, it means, the first day he assumed China's Gov, He was already in Panick mode. He needed to break a lot of…

I'll enlighten you. Totalitarian regimes tend to croak not when repressions are maxed out, unlike what the popular opinion suggests, but when they run out of steam to sustain them.

It is especially true when they run out of steam right midway during a major purge.

Venisuela now is a textbook example of that.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by cltsang »

paradoxparalax wrote: post #62
idrios wrote: post #3

This actually surprises me for how much effort Microsoft puts into being compliant with China. Last year China took down Yahoo! too, despite Yahoo's relationship with Alibaba. I was an expat last year and with Google (& DuckDuckGo) blocked I already had pretty few options of search engine. Short of learning enough Chinese to manage Baidu, I can't imagine how hard it would be to use internet as a foreigner in China no…

Virtually anyone in China, even the Chinese people, just use a VPN or SSH, or both, and your internet is ok.

This is mostly true. However, there are also signs of change as they are starting to enforce the digital border. https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/2180960/chinese-vpn...

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by rqs »

paradoxparalax wrote: post #62
idrios wrote: post #3

This actually surprises me for how much effort Microsoft puts into being compliant with China. Last year China took down Yahoo! too, despite Yahoo's relationship with Alibaba. I was an expat last year and with Google (& DuckDuckGo) blocked I already had pretty few options of search engine. Short of learning enough Chinese to manage Baidu, I can't imagine how hard it would be to use internet as a foreigner in China no…

Virtually anyone in China, even the Chinese people, just use a VPN or SSH, or both, and your internet is ok.

Are you sure about the SSH part?

I have few VPS's outside of China, and when I trying to SSH them directly from China, the connection would only alive for few minutes before gone slow (20 seconds delay), and eventually went dark (All packet dropped).

So I wrote my own proxy. It supports port mapping so I can map my local:2211 to server:21. When I connect to local:2211, the proxy will first connect to proxy-server (located outside of China) to establish an encrypted data stream, and then the proxy-server connects server:21.

This way I can keep the SSH connection alive as long as I wish to.

If you are using tools like Shadowsocks, you can use `ssh -o ProxyCommand ...` to ask ssh to go through Shadowsocks (Socks5 proxy).

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Post by paradoxparalax »

rqs wrote: post #69
paradoxparalax wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Virtually anyone in China, even the Chinese people, just use a VPN or SSH, or both, and your internet is ok.

Are you sure about the SSH part? I have few VPS's outside of China, and when I trying to SSH them directly from China, the connection would only alive for few minutes before gone slow (20 seconds delay), and eventually went dark (All packet dropped). So I wrote my own proxy. It supports port mapping so I can map my local:2211 to server:21. When I connect to local:2211, the proxy will first connect to proxy-server (lo…

when I was in China, I was a happy user(not affiliated with them, by any means) of a certain "myssh.me" (www) and it costed 20 Kuai (maybe 3 USD) a month and was pretty fast, faster then any other VPN available at the time.

But I just looked and this version of "them" was already taken down( this version was already SocialHarmonized, to use the chinese slang (colloqial term) )

Don't have time to find their new adress right now, but is like some torrent sites, change adress all the time, but the name is similar. Don accept imitations,...

It should have a chat tool in the website, you send a message and they answer right away(sometimes half-day, when they are lazy) and they will arrange payment by Alipay or WechatPay, and give your passcode.

The website should be well made and written in good english, and I think their logo was a horse, so if is not like this, is not the real myssh and is some fake imitator.

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