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Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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The western culture all accept china should have a firewall. That ... It is abnormal you know.

Noone said that. If anything we accept we have no control over China's policies.

You have control over your own choice to oppress people or not oppress people.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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This actually surprises me for how much effort Microsoft puts into being compliant with China. Last year China took down Yahoo! too, despite Yahoo's relationship with Alibaba. I was an expat last year and with Google (& DuckDuckGo) blocked I already had pretty few options of search engine. Short of learning enough Chinese to manage Baidu, I can't imagine how hard it would be to use internet as a foreigner in China no…

I've seen business travelers carrying two smartphones: one for the Chinese Internet, and the other one for going around the firewall.

How do they go around it with the second?

Edit: ardy42 answered this below. Foreign phones from home country provider seem to be exempt.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Noone said that. If anything we accept we have no control over China's policies.

Boycotting is one small lever of control.

But then you'd have to boycott some of the most loved US brands in history! Surely you wouldn't want to harm THEM? Just because they gave china so much money to become a world power doesn't make THEM part of the problem, right? Have a heart! You wouldn't want to possibly impact the retirement plans of those dearly loved brand CEO's would you? Naaaa.

(/s)

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard this is a temporary thing to make it easier for visitors, and it will stop working if you stay too long.

They've got firewall (from US company Palo Alto Networks, btw), to block GTP traffic over GRX (which is used for roamers) based on their rules. And unrestricted access is already unavailable in Tibet and Xinjiang.

I’d also love to have more details on this. I currently use Google Fi on my phone and laptop when in China, that’s the only way I’m able to be productive. If there are limitations on this or it’s a short term solution, that will affect my future plans in China. So any links or more details would be appreciated!

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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And, Microsoft even follows China’s censorship rules. Employees of tech companies protest when their companies collaborate with defense departments. But, yet those employees aren’t very loud when it comes to censorship.

In 2019 people just don't care as much about censorship or freedom of speech as they used to. Not saying it's right, but that's the way most people think now. I can't remember how many times I've had conversations with people who genuinely had no idea why censorship is a bad idea or why listening to opposing ideas can improve your life.

Normal case of average stupidity until something bad happens again, I would smugly guess.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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It honestly makes no difference. Bing search in China was absolutely useless the last few times I was there. Searches for any keyword, including technical terms, just returned a list of unrelated “news” articles.

I had the exact same experience with Bing outside of China.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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I mean Bing also means sick in Chinese, so it's not a good choice of name.

False, for reasons others have already pointed out. Why do people believe this myth? Microsoft has plenty of Chinese employees and Qi Lu was the executive VP of Bing for quite a few years. If there was an issue with the name, it would have been addressed by their marketing department long ago.

It's not a myth, "bing" does means "sick".

It also means other things like "ice", but "sick" is the first thing that comes to mind, and in China this is especially a big deal due to superstitions. Naming things is very important here.

amusing anecdote: I remember a discussion about someone who wanted to name his shop 森林木 (three trees symbol, two trees symbol, one tree symbol) and everyone told him it was a bad idea and it would fail because the trees where getting fewer and fewer and that this name was an omen of bankruptcy, and if anything he should put it in the opposite order. (He ended up choosing a different name entirely)

Bing is a really bad name, even tho this had probably nothing to do with it's relative failure

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Apparently it's just technical problems: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-24/china-is-...

Wouldn't surprise me if the leaders reversed the decision, instead of it being a technical problem. They've been known to reverse some bad decisions before, like taking coals away from average citizens during winter time. The government seems to be in panic mode, what with the recent news of luxury brands sales crashing 30-50%, lowest economic growth since 1990, 30% of factories have left while another 30% are lookin…

"lowest level of birth since 1961"

This is a good thing that shows(if not proves)that they are getting out of poverty.

And is something they pursued for decades, so this is pointless info for the point you make: "China gov in Panick mode"

Now, The current President, was already born with the lack of confidence, it means, the first day he assumed China's Gov, He was already in Panick mode.

He needed to break a lot of the internal stability and a lot of power lines Inside the Party, to arise to power, So , His government was born with this crucial weakness already,

And thats the reason the first week of assuming presidency he ordered to place absurdly ridiculous warmongering Ads in all the subway screens....

..Absurd and ridiculous even for the Chinese, the chinese average Joe is much smarter then what you think.

When a ruler start talking too much about war, you know he is afraid and Scared of loosing his power.

Master Margareth Tatcher explained that if you need to Show Power, It is because you don't have the power.

But taking google or yahoo down for days was already normal 15 years ago (when google was not totally blocked) ...

Is not anything significant, just a collateral datapoint, at least for me, who have much more Older and Broader data about this issue.

Luxury brands crash is not because of economic reasons, Luxury Buyers don't care about economical crisis, they are already freaking Rich, They are Rich in any situation, they are not affected, specially in China, where are Billionaires every corner. So why the sales dropped??

Because this wealth people got their moneys from corruption, and chinese people is fed up with this,( fight corruption, same as WarMongering, is the bulshitt the new president use to try to look better , because of his lack of confidence)...

And this people are afraid of the Security Police hunting down "grey" or "black money" , So they don't go near a Louis Vitton Shop even with a 10 feet pole.

Economy is bad because of incompetence of current government, Economical Incopentence, political incompetence, all Incompetence you can think.

That't the reason, but despise His Incompetence, our economy is still doing not so bad. So the wishful thinking of China Moon land deniers ( people who believe that the chinese space craft landing in the dark side of the moon is a fake video)...

And this wishful thinkers Deniers, will wait until the end of their lifetimes, if they think China economical Apocalypse is coming.

The Bible's Apocalypse will come before that, believe me.

I have been listening to "China will brake anytime now" for at least 25 years, before I even dream to be approved of the Economy University in China.

So I don't worry about economy, but I am extremely worried about the current government Malice and Incompentece,

...exactly the opposite of the former Hu Jin Dao and Wen Jia Bao ruling period, a period of Competent and wise ruling, that is unfortunately not the case right now.

Re: Microsoft confirms Bing is down in China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

False, for reasons others have already pointed out. Why do people believe this myth? Microsoft has plenty of Chinese employees and Qi Lu was the executive VP of Bing for quite a few years. If there was an issue with the name, it would have been addressed by their marketing department long ago.

It's not a myth, "bing" does means "sick". It also means other things like "ice", but "sick" is the first thing that comes to mind, and in China this is especially a big deal due to superstitions. Naming things is very important here. amusing anecdote: I remember a discussion about someone who wanted to name his shop 森林木 (three trees symbol, two trees symbol, one tree symbol) and everyone told him it was a bad idea a…

No, "bing" by itself does not mean sick. The sound "bing" maps to at least 59 possible characters across the 4 tones[0] of Mandarin. Only one particular character that maps to "bing4" means sick and it's one out of at least 21 possibilities[1], though I'll grant that it's the one that people are most likely to think of first.

Moreover, as it's normally pronounced by westerners, Bing would most likely map to "bing1" anyway.

[0] https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary?page=chardict&cdqman...

[1] https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary?page=chardict&cdqman...

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