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China Cracks Down on Churches

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Re: China Cracks Down on Churches

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Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

somethingle234 wrote: post #23

I'm not supporting China here, but the ideology "accepting all faith" is strange and, maybe, dangerous. Bible contains some cruel stories. But Christianity has a leader, which is Pope, who has ties with modern world and updates/rejects the stories from Bible, so it works decently enough with modern world. Other religions don't have that kinds of checks and balances. some religions just interpret whatever ancient book…

People need to be open to the idea that they're wrong, even atheists. Monocultures where other people are forced to accept your values create stagnation and dangers long term. There have been plenty of evil committed in the name of enforcing that which is righteous: communism, religions of all types, even democracy. It's better to let people have the freedom to make their own choices. You can choose to learn from them or reject to them, but applying pressure to change them is def incorrect imo.

Re: China Cracks Down on Churches

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Post by gammateam »

maratd wrote: post #54
gammateam wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(disclaimer, this is more of a FYI than my opinion about anything) > From the article: The government requires religious groups to register. China allows for the operation of pretty much all religions including the world's favorite Abrahamic ones. Unregistered religions pique the interest of countries founded on religious persecution, and ignore the operation of registered ones. Registered ones are able to continue v…

This is horrendously inaccurate. Yes, if you're a part of a sect controlled by the Communist Party, you're ok. The idea that this is a viable alternative ... I'm beyond words. The fact that you cannot purchase books at the heart of those Abrahamic religions says enough. You cannot even practice in the safety of your own home.

> This is horrendously inaccurate. Yes, if you're a part of a sect controlled by the Communist Party, you're ok. The idea that this is a viable alternative ... I'm beyond words.

I didn't say or suggest it was a viable alternative. I literally wrote it was unfavorable.

With that in mind, what is inaccurate about what I wrote?

Re: China Cracks Down on Churches

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Post by Aunche »

lgleason wrote: post #39
dgut wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary. I think our leaders should spend more time together. Maybe they should even vacation together. The US severed economic ties with Cuba in the 60s and look what happened (only recently celebrating Christmas became legal, and property that belonged to the church was returned). There are countless examples like that.

The US has been doing that for the past 30 years. It's not working.

The Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward happened before that. Up until Xi Jiping, China had been on track to being a freer country.

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Post by DougN7 »

dahidahi1 wrote: post #37
nyolfen wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what is "borderline terrorism"? the churches in the article were targeted for criticizing corrupt officials, in china

Why is the church indulging in criticism? Who are they? What right do they have to do that? How do they know that the officials are corrupt? How do you know that is the only thing the church did, if they even did that? How do YOU know for a fact that the official was corrupt? Too many questions & you seem to be naive enough to take everything at face value. Again, why does the church interfere in such things? Isn't t…

Churchs are organizations of people. Those people live and experience life just like people in unions, political parties, companies, social clubs and sports teams. Why do they get singled out and not allowed to express their opinions based on their experiences?

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Post by somethingle234 »

TheVikingOwain wrote: post #53
somethingle234 wrote: post #23

I'm not supporting China here, but the ideology "accepting all faith" is strange and, maybe, dangerous. Bible contains some cruel stories. But Christianity has a leader, which is Pope, who has ties with modern world and updates/rejects the stories from Bible, so it works decently enough with modern world. Other religions don't have that kinds of checks and balances. some religions just interpret whatever ancient book…

The pope leads Catholics. As an Anglican, Methodist or God forbid (pun intended) a Quaker if the pope leads them and they’d get a good laugh. There are absolutely Protestant denominations that accept biblical stories as absolute truth.

I apologize for the inaccuracy. But I hope my point of "blindly" accepting all faiths is understood.

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Post by tibu »

somethingle234 wrote: post #23

I'm not supporting China here, but the ideology "accepting all faith" is strange and, maybe, dangerous. Bible contains some cruel stories. But Christianity has a leader, which is Pope, who has ties with modern world and updates/rejects the stories from Bible, so it works decently enough with modern world. Other religions don't have that kinds of checks and balances. some religions just interpret whatever ancient book…

Pope is only leading the roman catholic church. There are several Christian churches which do not have such centralized leadership.

Re: China Cracks Down on Churches

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Post by SubiculumCode »

gammateam wrote: post #21
saagarjha wrote: post #5

Regardless of your faith (or lack thereof), I hope you agree that this is pretty horrible from a freedom of expression perspective :/

(disclaimer, this is more of a FYI than my opinion about anything) > From the article: The government requires religious groups to register. China allows for the operation of pretty much all religions including the world's favorite Abrahamic ones. Unregistered religions pique the interest of countries founded on religious persecution, and ignore the operation of registered ones. Registered ones are able to continue v…

Apologism. Having a party member approve the sermon before preaching is oppression.

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Post by ghobs91 »

kadendogthing wrote: post #48
ghobs91 wrote: post #29

This is why it's frustrating when some make it seem that Christians are incapable of facing persecution, based entirely on their experiences in the US. The Christians in China are very brave for standing by their faith, and I wish them luck and peace.

>This is why it's frustrating when some make it seem that Christians are incapable of facing persecution, Literally no one does this. Western Christians are incapable of facing persecution in the current social and economic climate. This is because Christians by and large make up every pillar of Western society. It has nothing to do with someone being a Christian else where in the world. The sentiment you are attempt…

I agree with you that the "war on Christmas" stuff is nonsense, but you'd be surprised at how many people write off Christian persecution, based solely on the fact that some of the most powerful nations in the world are "Christian nations".

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kadendogthing wrote: post #48
ghobs91 wrote: post #29

This is why it's frustrating when some make it seem that Christians are incapable of facing persecution, based entirely on their experiences in the US. The Christians in China are very brave for standing by their faith, and I wish them luck and peace.

>This is why it's frustrating when some make it seem that Christians are incapable of facing persecution, Literally no one does this. Western Christians are incapable of facing persecution in the current social and economic climate. This is because Christians by and large make up every pillar of Western society. It has nothing to do with someone being a Christian else where in the world. The sentiment you are attempt…

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