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Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by zaarn »

jcranmer wrote: post #37
qwerty456127 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is GDPR a problem at all? Is it so hard to avoid personalized tracking of unregistered users, ask users for their consent at sign-up time and implement a button for them to export and delete their data?

The problem with GDPR is that the actual scope of it applies to is rather unclear, and the regulatory guidance hasn't been reassuring as to what the actual extent will be in practice. For example, do email addresses on the comments on a blog site fall under that protection? If so, there are some agencies in charge of enforcing GDPR that are violating GDPR on their sites...

EMail Addresses are protected by the GDPR. Passwords are too.

THat doesn't mean you can't use email addresses without asking; ie if the comment system uses emails to notify people of replies or moderative actions, then it's totally legit to collect it for exactly this purpose.

You only need consent if the personal data collected isn't strictly necessary for the operation of your site, ie if you use tracking cookies and sell emails to advertisers.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by timmy-turner »

fyfy18 wrote: post #54
mooman219 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's you definition of a content farm? This bill essentially targets online online medium you can upload and share content on. This should be reworded to the EU is serious and wants to go back to Web 1.0

Maybe that's not a bad thing. Most of the policies that have emerged from the EU and US recently would mostly affect the users of large platforms like YouTube and Facebook. If content creators were to host content on a website they own, they would have complete control (well mostly, the web host would be responsible too, but that worked pretty well before) over their content and what they can and can't share.

I agree, kind of. My projection for a future with stricter copyright laws is a rise of or at least stronger development of subcultures that produce their own content which slips under the filter radar because of non-mainstream memes and references. Also more poeople will be attracted by subcultures because the mainstream becomes more regulated and boring as nobody will be able to freely mix and advertise it. Though what would really happen is that the media industry will be able to exert more control over influencers and we get sth. like a TV 2.0.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by groestl »

berkmayer wrote: post #28

People underestimate what a big pain in the ass internet has been for the EU bureaucrats in the last 5 years. They can't just remove users freedom in one hit, they need to do it slowly: cookie laws, gdpr, copyright. And of course they always put a little bit of "sense" in every rule. This is a classic tactic that has been used by State organizations for maybe thousands of years. You can find examples in ancient Rome,…

> cookie laws, gdpr, copyright

One of your examples is not like the others.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by outime »

beginningguava wrote: post #40
berkmayer wrote: post #28

People underestimate what a big pain in the ass internet has been for the EU bureaucrats in the last 5 years. They can't just remove users freedom in one hit, they need to do it slowly: cookie laws, gdpr, copyright. And of course they always put a little bit of "sense" in every rule. This is a classic tactic that has been used by State organizations for maybe thousands of years. You can find examples in ancient Rome,…

Germany just requested that France give up their UN security council seat so that the EU could have it Remember when the EU was just supposed to be a trade union rather than an organization that can pass laws that effect every person in Europe? https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/11/28/world/germany-u...

The EU was never a trade union, the EEC was [1].

[1] https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/eu-in-brief_en#fro...

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by ttoinou »

gmueckl wrote: post #57
iso1337 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's legislate that all cars must attain 150 mpg and cost less than $10,000. The EU proposals are approaching that kind of absurdity.

The Renault Twizy falls into that category. You need to find a better absurd example in the future ;).

It's an electric car, so no oil consumption (parent talks bout mpg)

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by rb666 »

berkmayer wrote: post #28

People underestimate what a big pain in the ass internet has been for the EU bureaucrats in the last 5 years. They can't just remove users freedom in one hit, they need to do it slowly: cookie laws, gdpr, copyright. And of course they always put a little bit of "sense" in every rule. This is a classic tactic that has been used by State organizations for maybe thousands of years. You can find examples in ancient Rome,…

Eh, cookie laws don't take away your freedom, and GDPR is overall a good thing.

You're piling on irrelevant things for your anti-EU frame. Enjoy your hard Brexit.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

beginningguava wrote: post #40
berkmayer wrote: post #28

People underestimate what a big pain in the ass internet has been for the EU bureaucrats in the last 5 years. They can't just remove users freedom in one hit, they need to do it slowly: cookie laws, gdpr, copyright. And of course they always put a little bit of "sense" in every rule. This is a classic tactic that has been used by State organizations for maybe thousands of years. You can find examples in ancient Rome,…

Germany just requested that France give up their UN security council seat so that the EU could have it Remember when the EU was just supposed to be a trade union rather than an organization that can pass laws that effect every person in Europe? https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/11/28/world/germany-u...

Remember when the USA was just a colony and not a superpower? Things change.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by alexis_fr »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #36

It would be prudent for Wikipedia at this time to shut down service in the EU, and simply put up a banner indicating that they can't comply with XYZ regulation. Regular folks in all walks of life, and also the bureaucracy would immediately be effected. It would be a 'shock' to Europe and a powerful signal of how vital these resources are, and the real extent they are messing with them. Basically, everyone would becom…

Regular folks would learn to use a proxy, like any good Chinese or Vietnamese citizen. We’ve proven average people can get pretty technical when the interests are aligned (think P2P).

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by ru999gol »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #36

It would be prudent for Wikipedia at this time to shut down service in the EU, and simply put up a banner indicating that they can't comply with XYZ regulation. Regular folks in all walks of life, and also the bureaucracy would immediately be effected. It would be a 'shock' to Europe and a powerful signal of how vital these resources are, and the real extent they are messing with them. Basically, everyone would becom…

I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been action like this done already, now its probably too late anyhow, EU is fucked. SOPA and PIPA had massive protests like that. Maybe Google for example isn't protesting because they know it helps them a lot actually, since they can expect to see no competition from the EU ever again.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

berkmayer wrote: post #28

People underestimate what a big pain in the ass internet has been for the EU bureaucrats in the last 5 years. They can't just remove users freedom in one hit, they need to do it slowly: cookie laws, gdpr, copyright. And of course they always put a little bit of "sense" in every rule. This is a classic tactic that has been used by State organizations for maybe thousands of years. You can find examples in ancient Rome,…

GDPR is a good thing for citizens. But leave it to Americans to proclaim something that is good for people bad because it inconveniences corporations.
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