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Lawyer: ‘It’s a Free for All’ for Criminals on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit)

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Re: Lawyer: ‘It’s a Free for All’ for Criminals on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit)

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Post by Bud »

jackcosgrove wrote: post #39
ryanmonroe wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this story related to these political movements you're describing? The events in the article seem like the usual robberies, unrelated to any political cause.

First off, I'm almost positive the "political movement" is Antifa. No need to beat around the bush. The alleged connection, if I'm reading GP right, is the shackling of police due to political pressure, and a more general breakdown in law and order. I'm not sure the Bart police are restrained from above, as it could also be a lack of resources that prevents them from patrolling the trains on foot. But a growing disre…

Based on what data?

Re: Lawyer: ‘It’s a Free for All’ for Criminals on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit)

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Post by claydavisss »

jeffdavis wrote: post #16

Maybe they should issue more concealed carry permits in bay area counties. It's wrong for the police to simultaneously neglect your protection and also prevent you from protecting yourself.

Even if you were to get the veritable Golden Ticket and land one of the hundred or so CCWs in SF, using your firearm in California, even in self defense, would result in your life being ruined.

Move to a SHALL ISSUE state. I did.

Re: Lawyer: ‘It’s a Free for All’ for Criminals on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit)

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Post by Bud »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #14

My coworker was sexually assaulted on the BART, on the East Bay side of the tracks. A group of youths started sitting around her, took off her headphones, groped her, took her picture several times with them groping her, laughed and then left after terrorizing her for 10 minutes unabated. There was nothing she could do, she is a tiny, attractive Asian female sitting by herself and no one stepped in to help her (to be…

"These days"? So there was some magical protection against criminals in the past, which no longer exists?

Re: Lawyer: ‘It’s a Free for All’ for Criminals on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit)

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Post by stickfigure »

darpa_escapee wrote: post #42
anothergoogler wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want somebody shooting for any reason on the BART.

Agreed. I don't want to be caught in the cross-fire between a criminal and a layman trying to be a hero.

I know this sounds crazy, but I'd be willing to tolerate a modest number of bystander deaths if it meant a dramatic uptick in the number of criminal deaths. There can't be that many criminals. The steady-state equilibrium might be safer than the current regime, which is that criminals can assault (and kill) with little risk to themselves.

Of course I'd like my chance of death-by-bullet to be zero. But for whatever reason, that doesn't seem to be an option on the table.

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Post by rdtsc »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #45

In Melbourne, we have a special police force (protective services officers) to patrol train stations at night. The anti-authoritarian in my dislikes them, but by all accounts (especially from my female friends), they're actually great. Their mandate is only to stop violence and disorderly behaviour, and they're actually super chill. Ticket inspection and fare evasion isn't part of their purview, which means they're n…

> full fledged police officers with drug dogs at train stations, which is straight up fascist.

Hmm. Is it the dogs that make them fascists? The uniform?

Yeah you shouldn't talk to the police and all that but going straight to fascism seems a bit hyperbolic.

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Post by BurningFrog »

diogenescynic wrote: post #28
BurningFrog wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think crimes on Bart are the jurisdiction of Bart police. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit_Police_...

And all they do is give parking tickets. I’ve never seen them inside a train in 8 years.

Maybe they travel undercover, all the time?

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Post by ryanmonroe »

ummonk wrote: post #49
diogenescynic wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And all they do is give parking tickets. I’ve never seen them inside a train in 8 years.

I wonder how much of that is due to the conviction of the officer who shot Oscar Grant.

If someone decides not to be a police officer because they aren't allowed to shoot unarmed civilians in the back while they're being held face down on the ground, BART is safer without them.

Re: Lawyer: ‘It’s a Free for All’ for Criminals on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit)

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Post by nicoburns »

dokein wrote: post #57

This is, I think, partially the result of decriminalization. When a vocal sub-population says "oh no, but poor people have no agency, and therefore no choice but to commit crime / evade fares, etc. and we should be more lenient" this is the result. And the people who suffer the disproportionately are the working class who rely on public transit. Even if BART doesn't have enough officers, spending a few thousand to pu…

Evading fares is one thing. Assaulting people us a whole other matter!

Re: Lawyer: ‘It’s a Free for All’ for Criminals on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit)

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Post by sdinsn »

jeffdavis wrote: post #16

Maybe they should issue more concealed carry permits in bay area counties. It's wrong for the police to simultaneously neglect your protection and also prevent you from protecting yourself.

Or perhaps we should make different changes to society that allow citizens in public to be safe without having to carry a gun?
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