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Lawyer: ‘It’s a Free for All’ for Criminals on BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit)

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"Sibia caught a glimpse of a revolver in the man’s waist, and let go. The assailant slipped out just as the train doors closed behind him, he said."

I was under the impression that concealed carry permits are extremely difficult to get in the vast majority of California?

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When you alienate the holders of the monopoly on force, and erase avenues of accountability: the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

A vocal minority of the public in the Bay Area seem to openly resent the police and make them unwelcome, and the silent majority don't push back. This is what happens when the police (and the truth) are made unwelcome.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/07/09/bart-withholdin...

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Yeah, BART police is a joke. I don’t remember ever seeing a BART police officer riding a train with me. I rarely see them in stations. Getting in and out without paying almost seems easier than paying. SF and Oakland officers never stroll through stations, which is so obviously wrong from a public safety standpoint, yet it seems to be policy. Then again I rarely see SF police officers walking the streets as it is. Ye…

Guns. Every citizen should be armed.

/s

But really people all just need to show up at city council meetings and demand better.

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#24

Maybe they should issue more concealed carry permits in bay area counties. It's wrong for the police to simultaneously neglect your protection and also prevent you from protecting yourself.

I don't want somebody shooting for any reason on the BART.

I don’t think anyone does, but I think that is besides the parent’s point.

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I’m a big dude, 6’2” and broad shouldered, and even I regularly feel unsafe on BART. I’ve seen tweakers spit on women and attack them, I’ve seen out of their mind bums screaming racist slurs at people in their face, and yet I’ve never seen cops do anything about it. Likewise, I even see BART employees at that window open the disabled stall and emergency exit for homeless people and tweakers to get into BART. If they’d just keep the people out who aren’t paying, they’d fix most of the issues but they don’t even bother. Although, I have seen more cops lately patrolling BART stations (Montgomery and Embarcadero during business hours...) but never seen them in the trains.

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#26

Maybe they should issue more concealed carry permits in bay area counties. It's wrong for the police to simultaneously neglect your protection and also prevent you from protecting yourself.

San Francisco issuing concealed carry permits!? There’s literally only a handful issued for the entire city. There’s no hope of that changing, short of a SCOTUS ruling.

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"Sibia caught a glimpse of a revolver in the man’s waist, and let go. The assailant slipped out just as the train doors closed behind him, he said." I was under the impression that concealed carry permits are extremely difficult to get in the vast majority of California?

Depends on the County. I think in the majority of counties it is relatively easy, but in the counties that people mostly live, not so much. San Francisco and LA County in particular make it nearly impossible.

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Does BART have unlimited liability for the actions of others? Probably not. Should BART have more security at problem stations? Sure. Most of this sounds like a failure of the local police though, transit security is generally not going to handle reporting assault and theft, as those are the jurisdiction of the municipality where the crime occured.

I think crimes on Bart are the jurisdiction of Bart police. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit_Police_...

And all they do is give parking tickets. I’ve never seen them inside a train in 8 years.

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post #17

I read a lot of anti-police and criminal apologist rhetoric from that part of the world. Granted I may have some sort of selection bias or sampling bias, but it really does not surprise me to see this take place. It seems to me that there are certain political movements that you can't really criticize publicly for a variety of reasons, who have - through political pressure, rendered the policing power of the state to…

How is this story related to these political movements you're describing? The events in the article seem like the usual robberies, unrelated to any political cause.
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