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Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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That was fast. Not only has the list been yanked from hosting, but Juvander Consulting, who was responsible for it, has deleted the Facebook page for the list, and all mention of it from their site, even scrubbing old blog entries about it.

In fairness, Ilpo Juvander's web log stopped getting AdBlock entries in 2015, the same time as xyr Twitter account stopped getting entries, and the web log ceased getting any entries at all in 2017.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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post #49

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I'm asking about the whitelisting process: when something breaks how do you figure out what you have to whitelist? Many websites load dozens of external resources, how do you figure out what does what?

I usually hit the right one on the first or second try. The hostname usually tells you what it does. Say the images of users on github.com are broken. I open umatrix and think 'Hmm.. which host could they load them from?'. I enable 'githubusercontent.com' and voila! The user images appear.

Ok, thank you all for your replies, I'm going to give it a try.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Just block third party JS and Cookies using uMatrix. Then use uBlock origin to remove select divs that are annoying. No need to rely upon third party lists.

I have tried that. Every other time I tried to book a flight, hotel or buy something I enter my credit card info and got a blank page or an endless spinner. Now I don't know if I have been charged and whether the purchase has gone through. I do not have time to deal with that. Also I ended up white-listing so much garbage just to do basic browsing that it defeated to whole purpose.

Then just whitelist the booking website before making the booking.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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I found that for me a whitelist makes more sense then a blacklist. I use umatrix with these two default rules: * * * block * 1st-party * allow So by default a site can load whatever it wants from its own domain and nothing from 3rd party domains. Then I add rules as needed. The Umatrix interface makes this super easy.

Can you teach me this skill? I usually don't mind steep learning curves and taking a while to familiarize myself with a piece of technology if I believe that I'll end up benefiting from it (I type in dvorak, use a tiling window manager, I'm a shell power user etc...) but try as I might I just can't wrap my head around umatrix. I understand what it does, I just don't understand how to use it effectively. Like I just t…

Not sure if you know, but you don't need uMatrix when using uBlock Origin - it has build in the same functionality. You just need to tell uBlock that you're advanced user by checking option in settings.

What TekMol is using sounds like Hard Mode. Personally, I chose Medium Mode (blocking only 3rd-party scripts) as there isn't much difference between them. [1]

[1]: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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I have tried that. Every other time I tried to book a flight, hotel or buy something I enter my credit card info and got a blank page or an endless spinner. Now I don't know if I have been charged and whether the purchase has gone through. I do not have time to deal with that. Also I ended up white-listing so much garbage just to do basic browsing that it defeated to whole purpose.

Then just whitelist the booking website before making the booking.

Any booking website probably use third party services so that won’t work, for card processing for example.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Just block third party JS and Cookies using uMatrix. Then use uBlock origin to remove select divs that are annoying. No need to rely upon third party lists.

I have tried that. Every other time I tried to book a flight, hotel or buy something I enter my credit card info and got a blank page or an endless spinner. Now I don't know if I have been charged and whether the purchase has gone through. I do not have time to deal with that. Also I ended up white-listing so much garbage just to do basic browsing that it defeated to whole purpose.

I use a separate browser for one-off purchases for this exact reason. If I do repeated purchases on a certain site, I go through the steps to set the rules on my main browser. Feels like a good enough balance.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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post #55

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Just block third party JS and Cookies using uMatrix. Then use uBlock origin to remove select divs that are annoying. No need to rely upon third party lists.

How much manual effort is required to whitelist legitimate third party JS?

Far too much for this to ever be a solution for 99.999% of web users, who wouldn't have the slightest idea what that even means.

A web that by default preys maliciously on naïve users, even if the tiny technically-savvy minority can work around it, is not an acceptable outcome.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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If you do not stand with all workers, you will be divided, and fall. That's what solidarity means. I have a cushy tech job, with a big company, so the recent attempted changes probably won't affect me at all. But if they can go after those it will and get away with it, then next time they will come for me, and there will be no united front left to defend me. The alternative is we end up like America, and as much as s…

The difference is in methods. Not on the concepts. As an example I aim for system where employment is at will but that is balanced by strong social security and unemployment benefits. It kinda gives best of both worlds. When you are not screwed when you're fired you don't need insanely strong protections. I refuse to accept that as a worker I have to support decisions that I personally think as stupid just due to "so…

There's more to at-will employment than just "unemployment kinda sucks."

At-will employment is the reason there's no real workers' rights in the US. If the employer can fire you at any time on a whim and for no reason, it becomes impossible to enforce any other labor protection laws, from discrimination on down.

Sure it was illegal for my employer to fire me from my job at a thrift shop in the States after I got injured on the job doing work I shouldn't legally have been expected to do alone. So they just found another excuse and fired me anyway (in this case, because I took a day off to mourn my dying father. Remember what I said about America?).

This happens over and over, with racial, gender, disability discrimination, labor violations, and on and on. There's no real way to enforce the law when there's a giant loophole around it, and who do you think has more money to win a labor suit? The unemployed person, or the company who fired them?

There's also the pressure and the power imbalance it creates. If my employer can fire me whenever they want for no reason, then I have basically no clout at all on the job. I'm under relentless pressure to just do whatever I'm told, because if I don't, then I'm out on my ass in a day. You make a normally small mistake on a day when the boss is in a bad mood? Disagree with the wrong manager? Decide to stand up when the corporation wants you to do something unethical, or even illegal?

Tough luck. Better hit the dole queue tomorrow.

It creates a constant, oppressive pressure on employees, because you will never have job security. You are always one bad day or one wrong move away from the unemployment line.

And let's face it, the same kind of voters and politicians who say things like you do, are the same ones that aren't gonna be in a hurry to raise the unemployment benefit to actually fit the cost of living. The last time I lost my job in Finland I nearly wound up homeless (surprise! I was on the very probationary period the gov't wants to extend indefinitely, and got let go along with all the other new hires, so my startup could cook the books for the VCs). Helsinki benefits haven't been adjusted for cost of living since the 70s, and if you think the same government looking to toss more people out on the street is gonna be in a hurry to fix that, well then I have some very interesting cryptocurrency investments I'd love to show you.

Part of having a strong safety net is employees having the security not to need it all the time. If anyone can just shit-can people for something as simple as fudging the budget for next quarter, then unemployment costs rise, and the response to that has consistently been to cut benefits, not raise them.

For all the system is imperfect here, Finns need to understand just how good they have it already, and stop supporting people who want to drag us down to the Americans' level just to make a few more euros.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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post #61
post #36

That was fast. Not only has the list been yanked from hosting, but Juvander Consulting, who was responsible for it, has deleted the Facebook page for the list, and all mention of it from their site, even scrubbing old blog entries about it.

In fairness, Ilpo Juvander's web log stopped getting AdBlock entries in 2015, the same time as xyr Twitter account stopped getting entries, and the web log ceased getting any entries at all in 2017.

True, but that makes it all the more weird that they'd delete them in the first place. It's like they wanted to remove any evidence they were involved at all.

The only remaining indication is the domain, and their iOS app that's still up on the App Store.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do not stand with all workers, you will be divided, and fall. That's what solidarity means. I have a cushy tech job, with a big company, so the recent attempted changes probably won't affect me at all. But if they can go after those it will and get away with it, then next time they will come for me, and there will be no united front left to defend me. The alternative is we end up like America, and as much as s…

The difference is in methods. Not on the concepts. As an example I aim for system where employment is at will but that is balanced by strong social security and unemployment benefits. It kinda gives best of both worlds. When you are not screwed when you're fired you don't need insanely strong protections. I refuse to accept that as a worker I have to support decisions that I personally think as stupid just due to "so…

I guess this change by the Sipilä government could be fine in isolation. But the fact is that the same government has done/is pushing for cuts to the social safety net, unemployment benefits, schooling, health care etc at the same time.
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