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Suicide rising across the US

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Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Unless there is an /increase/ in how much people are being told something analogous/similar to that, I'm not sure how that would explain an /increase/ in the rate. Is there a reason you would expect the harm from things of that sort to have increased as of late?

Crybullying against $insertGroupYouDon'tLike has gained popularity over the past decade, at the very least from "not a concept" to extant.

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Re: Suicide rising across the US

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The accelerationism of the world is really taking it's toll. I feel like the political and economical system is, idk, a result of over-application of certain tenets that might have been justified in the past but are increasingly less valid but certain forces are clinging to them because these tenets are all they have. It's not just the US, the world feels like such a blur. Very important and fucked up things are happ…

Try reading Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher, from what you just said it sounds like you might really like it. He covers a lot of the themes you're talking about in a really approachable way As for what other conception of states can exist, socialism is pretty cool I think

Socialism might seem pretty cool for someone willing to ignore the last 100 years of humanity's experience with it.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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There is a running joke that all geographical heat maps are palette swapped demographic maps.

Often true, but this is a percentage increase so presumably it is fairly independent from raw population size.

% increase tends to favor areas with lower populations, because the divisor is smaller making everyone have a bigger impact. In this cases, cities tend to be more democratic and have more people to amortize losses against.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Basically one kid (eg, the "bully") says to another kid (eg, the "victim") that the victim's mere existence is deeply offensive to the bully. Hope that helps.

Still missing context. Are schoolyard bullies actually doing this to other kids? Or are you talking about something else? Can you speak plainly and not use analogies?

I think he/she is referring to white males.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Reducing firearm ownership would reduce suicides: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/wonkblog/su... The common response is that "people will just find another way" but that's not supported by evidence. >“Anything that builds in delay is working in your favor because that fever-pitch time when you’re actually willing to swallow the poison or pull the trigger is often fairly narrow,” said Cathy Barber, wh…

I've heard that no one attempts suicide twice, but guns make it more likely that their first attempt succeeds

That is also correct:

>And for those who did not die, it's likely they would not try to commit suicide again. A 2002 review of 90 studies indicates that more than 90 percent of people who survive a suicide attempt won’t die from a later suicide attempt either.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically one kid (eg, the "bully") says to another kid (eg, the "victim") that the victim's mere existence is deeply offensive to the bully. Hope that helps.

Still missing context. Are schoolyard bullies actually doing this to other kids? Or are you talking about something else? Can you speak plainly and not use analogies?

I did not make the original post. I was attempting to clarify it. I was not using an analogy at all.

I literally meant: A bully said to victim that victim's very existence is offensive to bully.

IMO, that summarizes how I interpreted the original top level post.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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The article avoids pointing out the obvious, but the map makes it clear this rise is predominantly among white Americans.

The map absolutely does not make that clear. It could equally be the case that minorities are dying by suicide more in communities where they are totally engulfed by white folks (or folks of any other characteristic that matches the map distribution).

"where they are totally engulfed by white folks"

Too bad they were forced there at gunpoint and not allowed to leave... when will white people learn to stop forcing people into their country, then when they ask to leave, building a wall to keep them in.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically one kid (eg, the "bully") says to another kid (eg, the "victim") that the victim's mere existence is deeply offensive to the bully. Hope that helps.

Still missing context. Are schoolyard bullies actually doing this to other kids? Or are you talking about something else? Can you speak plainly and not use analogies?

You've really never experienced being told that unless you are a minority (ideally an oppressed one) or a victim, or at the very least, you have some non-typical sexual identity, you are worthless?

You have not noticed people making up sexual identities that they don't really have? Or inventing (or inflating) victim stories about themself?

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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"Hey kid: did you know that your very being is offensive and actually downright violent towards me and there is nothing you can do about it because it literally has to do with a fundamental aspect of who you are." Absolutely shocking that suicide is up.

Can you clarify this quotation? What is the source, who is speaking, to whom are they speaking?

I think it's a comment about aggressive identity politics. E.g. male oppression vs females, white vs black as an inate part of being white male, etc

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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THIS IS NOT a politically motivated post. Compare the map in TFA with this map, which I trivially Googled: http://news.gallup.com/poll/203117/gop-maintains-edge-state-... It's not a perfect correlation, but to my untrained eye, looking at both maps, it seems to me that red (eg, Republican) states appear to correlate closely with higher suicide states. But please judge and compare the maps for yourself and form your o…

It is pretty well known that one of the demographics to see recent increases in suicide is white males, especially those experiencing economic stress. Since that demographic went pretty heavily for the Republic part in the last several elections, I think it's a pretty obvious possible explanation for the correlation you see.
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