YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by FridgeSeal » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 3:15 AM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #19

This seems like one of those things corporations obviously do, but you'd be hard pressed to believe someone would be dumb enough to openly state they do. Now when you wonder if YouTube is actively trying to irritate you, you can know that yes, that's exactly what they're trying to do. The YouTube team's behavior is getting a lot more annoying of late. The other thing I can't get rid of is the popup suggesting I get Y…

There's an associated set of ads on the Play Music app as well.

Every couple of days there'll be an interstital/overlay/message about the paid subscription option, it's incredibly annoying because it doesn't let you dismiss it forever.

I've previously paid for Spotify and for Google Play Music, I've gone back to buying my music (hooray Bandcamp) and don't stream any on my phone but get subjected to all the ads anyway.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by notnot3 » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 4:01 AM UTC

herpderperator wrote: post #17

I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

uBlock and youtube-dl is the poor mans alternative. But I suppose it will not work so well on a phone.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by setquk » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 7:17 AM UTC

aerotwelve wrote: post #50

This is why I still maintain a digital music library -- backed by a physical media collection that sits in my real live analog house -- that I sync to an SD card in my phone. In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Everything that isn't there can usually…

After several months of Apple Music and disappearing tracks this is what I’m doing now.

I’m not renting anything any more.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by dtech » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 7:24 AM UTC

imode wrote: post #28

herpderperator wrote: post #17

I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

or, or, hear me out... I could use adblock, a free and crowd-sourced adblocker, to... block the ads. YouTube already makes copious amounts of money outside of advertising and Red exclusivity. don't force that kind of an annoyance on people if you expect them to A) use your service or B) not subvert the crap you put in front of them. there is no argument for ads anymore.

> YouTube already makes copious amounts of money outside of advertising and Red exclusivity.

What? Unless something drastically changed in the last two years Youtube still breaks about even [1]

I'm willing to bet that they are the largest hoster and streamer of video content in the world, and storage, servers and bandwidth ain't exactly free.

[1] http://www.businessinsider.com/youtube-still-doesnt-make-goo...

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by znpy » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 7:31 AM UTC

YouTube/Google probably have so-detailed user profile (or maybe I should say "dossier") that they probably know with a very high accuracy who is likely to pay and who isn't.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by WillPostForFood » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 7:45 AM UTC

mark_l_watson wrote: post #34

herpderperator wrote: post #17

I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

I agree. For $15/month family plan, my wife and I enjoy the music and we get no ads on YouTube. For $180/year it is a great entertainment value. That is two months of cable TV, which provides much less value.

Annoyingly, the family plan is unavailable to G Suite users.

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Post by psergeant » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 7:47 AM UTC

0xfaded wrote: post #52

herpderperator wrote: post #17

I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

I have to say that since I've been paying for music, I've always had the one complaint: Why does the industry insist that each music portal have a fragmented, incomplete catalogue. In a world where everyone pays for music, I suppose this makes sense, since to have access to the complete catalog one would need to subscribe to each and every service out there. The one exception was grooveshark, which had everything. I…

My one complaint: I have to use the various companies’ shitty players to access the music. Spotify’s discovery is just about making me not hate their “value-add” too much, but the consumer is going to win big when startups can one-stop license all the music for $10/m and start doing interesting things with it

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Post by WillPostForFood » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 7:50 AM UTC

0xfaded wrote: post #52

herpderperator wrote: post #17

I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

I have to say that since I've been paying for music, I've always had the one complaint: Why does the industry insist that each music portal have a fragmented, incomplete catalogue. In a world where everyone pays for music, I suppose this makes sense, since to have access to the complete catalog one would need to subscribe to each and every service out there. The one exception was grooveshark, which had everything. I…

The music industry isn’t a monolith, there is an array of companies and rights holders that control over a century’s worth of recorded music. The only single party that could step in and simplify the legal morass is the government.

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Post by cornholio » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 8:19 AM UTC

> Cohen, who joined YouTube in 2016 after about 30 years in the record business, including stints as a road manager for Run-DMC and a senior executive at Warner Music Group.

I'm not sure he understands yet the culture of the organization he's in, and the way most internet companies work. The fact that Youtube is king of the hill does not mean he's sitting on a monopoly he can milk for revenue. On the Internet, if you crap on your users you become history in 6 months time.

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Post by lloeki » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 8:21 AM UTC

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #38

guelo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube could make their ads unblockable by putting them in the content's video stream or just serving them from the same domain. I feel like they don't do that just as a way to be nice to adblockers, but I don't know why.

I'm pretty sure it would also be more expensive in terms of CPU and potentially disk.

The cost of concatenating two mp4† files is essentially zero. IIRC you can even `cat foo.mp4 bar.mp4 > baz.mp4` and it's supposed to still be valid mp4 (there may be same-codec restrictions, but even resolution can change).