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Millennials Strike Back: An Esoteric Reading of the Last Jedi

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Re: Millennials Strike Back: An Esoteric Reading of the Last Jedi

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The empires are just attempting to establish peace throughout the universe. The rebels, on the other hand, appear to want chronic instability and violence, getting entire civilizations obliterated due to their dislike for authority figures.

Maybe the authority figures don't need to respond by obliterating entire civilizations? I think it's enough that a guy like Snopes or Palpatine wanted to control the galaxy to rebel against that.

>Snopes

A rebellion against fact-checking? The movie is now even more relevant ;-)

Re: Millennials Strike Back: An Esoteric Reading of the Last Jedi

#62
post #41

My biggest problem with the movie was using the hyperdrive as a weapon. Why couldn't that have been used on the first, second or third deathstar?

I'll steal a comment from elsewhere [1] that gives a perfectly reasonable justification for this. > A few hypothetical reasons why light speed attacks are not common despite being so effective: > - A capital ship's particle shields can usually tank smaller objects, like fighters, traveling at relativistic speeds. Only very large objects can attain enough kinetic energy to punch through the shields. However... > - ...…

The problem with these sorts of plausible, hypothetical explanations is that they don't necessarily answer the question of why this particular plot device couldn't have been replaced with something more appropriate for the established rules of the Star Wars setting.

Re: Millennials Strike Back: An Esoteric Reading of the Last Jedi

#63
post #13

Disney didn't pay a few billion for the Star Wars property to just end the war. The resistance/rebels will be fighting forever.

They have something like 40+ books in the Expanded Universe to steal from. The dictum in Hollywood is to give something "similar but different".

Re: Millennials Strike Back: An Esoteric Reading of the Last Jedi

#64
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is going to buy tickets to "Star Peace".

I would pay to see a movie during the peaceful years of the Jedi showing the struggles of a child being taken into the Jedi order trained up through to Jedi Knight. Emotional trauma of losing family, the rigorous training, confusing philosophy classes about magic, tension of building the first lightsaber that could explode in their face, first mission under a master as a padawan, and so on. There are stories to tell…

Neither of these take place during peaceful times, but both of the TV shows (Clone Wars & Rebels) have taken the time to cover the rest of what you mentioned. They may be somewhat aimed at a younger audience but by no means are kiddie-only shows. Dave Filoni is one of the best things to ever happen to Star Wars story telling, and being in charge of their animation department I expect to see much more good work coming from them after Rebels ends this year.

Instead of just getting a 2 hour movie every year or two, they can spend a lot more screen hours building characters and themes and showing the downtime between the battles and big events. There is going to be more Star Wars TV in the future and I wouldn't blow it off just because it doesn't seem aimed at you.

Re: Millennials Strike Back: An Esoteric Reading of the Last Jedi

#65
post #55

Assuming this is at all serious (which I doubt), it would be a rather cynical, facile, and insipid reading of both The Last Jedi and history itself. The most egregious point (of the many to choose from that I could dissect) is the following: > But she has absorbed the rebels’ self-serving narrative, and it prevents her from realizing that the Skywalkers and the Rebellion—or Resistance, or whatever they are calling th…

I'd say that it felt like the movie wanted Rey to join Kylo. It was what it was building to. It would have fit with the taking-an-old-thing-and-twisting-it vibe of the rest of the film. The momentum of the film seemed in that moment to strain and fail against what I assume were the limits of how far off the rails JJ/Disney would let it go. It'd have taken what was already probably the 3rd most interesting and origina…

There are a number of places where the movie felt like the plot turned away from where it was heading.

Rey and Kylo unite? Nah. Leia dies? Nah. Luke overcomes pain and returns as a master? Nah. Finn does something impactful and important? Nah. Poe is a hero? Nah.

Like, imagine if instead of Admiral Holdo it were all Leia. It sure as hell felt like it was supposed to be Leia. Imagine Leia never went into a coma, but she was clearly terrified by her near death and experience with the Force and upset over the loss of the command staff. (I mean, Admiral Ackbar is dead!) What if it were Leia's sacrifice at the end? I can't help but feel it should have been, and not because of Carrie Fisher's loss.

The problems inherent to the narrative, like Luke Skywalker being completely without hope when he literally is the New Hope are just... weird, and it goes on a bit too long. Yoda should've shown up sooner. I get that Jedi masters are old and crusty and don't want to teach the ways of the Force anymore. I get that the Jedi were wrong to ignore all emotion. Qui Gon was wrong to take Anakin away from his mother and leave her behind. Obi Wan was wrong to hide Vader's identity from Luke. Yoda was wrong in Empire Strikes Back to tell Luke to let his friends die. Luke is wrong to tell Rey to leave. Luke was right about Vader in Return of the Jedi. Rey was right to go to Kylo (surprisingly, somewhat). What does Obi-Wan tell Luke in A New Hope? "Trust your feelings. Let go." It seems that Jedi only gain enlightenment in death.

What the Jedi have done out of fear of the Dark Side is eliminate all emotions and therefore all virtue. The Jedi are not good. They're neutral. They're safe.

But safety doesn't make heroes. Safety doesn't protect your friends. Safety doesn't overcome tyranny.

In the end, again, Luke does overcome his despair. Again he follows his feelings and helps his friends, even at the cost of his own life.

Say what you will about the end of TLJ, but Luke still died a hero.

Re: Millennials Strike Back: An Esoteric Reading of the Last Jedi

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is going to buy tickets to "Star Peace".

I can't speak for everyone, but I would definitely have bought tickets to Star Peace. Especially over "Star Wars: even more cgi edition".

I in fact left the theater thinking "How about a Star Wars movie without any battles or explosions? Couldn't that be more interesting?" I wonder what's been done in fanfiction.

Re: Millennials Strike Back: An Esoteric Reading of the Last Jedi

#67
post #41

My biggest problem with the movie was using the hyperdrive as a weapon. Why couldn't that have been used on the first, second or third deathstar?

I'll steal a comment from elsewhere [1] that gives a perfectly reasonable justification for this. > A few hypothetical reasons why light speed attacks are not common despite being so effective: > - A capital ship's particle shields can usually tank smaller objects, like fighters, traveling at relativistic speeds. Only very large objects can attain enough kinetic energy to punch through the shields. However... > - ...…

Why not giant remote drone ships? Or drone ships with the mind like c3p0? Still doesn't totally pan out.

Re: Millennials Strike Back: An Esoteric Reading of the Last Jedi

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post #63
post #13

Disney didn't pay a few billion for the Star Wars property to just end the war. The resistance/rebels will be fighting forever.

They have something like 40+ books in the Expanded Universe to steal from. The dictum in Hollywood is to give something "similar but different".

A quick search shows 381, counting short stories and young adult books. This doesn't count the roughly 80+ books that are or will be canon under Disney, currently out or at least announced.

Re: Millennials Strike Back: An Esoteric Reading of the Last Jedi

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post #68
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have something like 40+ books in the Expanded Universe to steal from. The dictum in Hollywood is to give something "similar but different".

A quick search shows 381, counting short stories and young adult books. This doesn't count the roughly 80+ books that are or will be canon under Disney, currently out or at least announced.

I hand-counted on wikipedia back when Disney said that Expanded Universe wouldn't be canon so will trust your Google or other search. My count would not include anything Disney-related nor movie novelizations.

Point being, they're spending a lot of money and want to play it safe. You can do much more in a novel than a blockbuster movie. They do have decades of past original content to draw off of but there's most likely a larger general movie fanbase than those that did the deep dive into the books so might as well appeal to them.

"Similar but different".

Re: Millennials Strike Back: An Esoteric Reading of the Last Jedi

#70
post #31

There is definitely some sort of messaging going on in the Last Jedi. SPOILER Why else spend half the movie on a pointless and ultimately destructive sidequest? The rebelliousness of the rebellion shoots itself in the foot. The thief seems to have the most insightful line in the move, that the war is essentially a machine making money for the arms trade. I guess the point is meant to be, if Jedi are really trying to…

This moral theme would be a fantastic way to wrap it up.
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