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Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by dawhizkid »

Guest9812398 wrote: post #51
dawhizkid wrote: post #22

I wonder why the "young adult nightlife experience" feels so stagnant. I like going to the occasional upscale cocktail bar, but in general spending Friday or Saturday night in a crowded bar or club is not my idea of a fun thing to do. What is the alternative for more introverted people? Stay home? I went to Copenhagen recently and on a Friday night came across a big coffee/beer+wine place with lots of tables/sofas th…

I think there are lots of options. 1. Board game venues. They're becoming more popular, and yes, they exist in the US. I would be surprised if there wasn't one in any major US city. 2. Escape rooms. I think there are at least 50 in my city. They're literally everywhere if I search on Google Maps. 3. Cafes. If you're looking for something low key, you should be able to find some cafes with some hot wine, snacks, and c…

Outside of a pub (which is a bar?) none of these places would typically be open on a late Fri/Sat.

I think there's plenty of opportunity to reinvent the nightlife experience in a way that hasn't been done yet. Hopefully in a few years you can decide between a bar, club, or ____ at 12am on a Friday night.

The idea of being sandwiched in the middle of loud drunk sweaty people in a place where I can barely hear what someone else is saying and waiting 20m to get the attention of a bartender to pay $15 for a well drink makes me cringe.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #53
the-dude wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you have a 'counterdote' : I am 43. After the first year of high school ( I was 13 ), we were allowed to travel to the other side of the country by train, sleep in a youth hostel and return at the end of the next day. This is NL, the other side of the country is only 350km. When we tell younger friends, they refuse to believe.

America is a wholly different place. I was born in the mid-80s in Moscow, Russia, and moved to America when I was ten. Before I moved, I was regularly taking the subway, with transfers, to school - by myself. Here in America, I had a coworker a few years ago who literally would not let his double-digit-aged children cross the street to school by themselves. It's a weird fuckin' place.

I was born in '71. When I was 11 or 12 my friends and I could ride our bikes basically wherever we wanted to go. Our only rule was be home before the street lights turned on.

The 80's happened which brought a few highly publicized child abductions/murders. Notably the Walsh child. His father scared every parent into becoming a helicopter parent. (Not judging, just saying).

People really haven't loosened up much since. Every stranger is dangerous.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by Guest9812398 »

dawhizkid wrote: post #61
Guest9812398 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are lots of options. 1. Board game venues. They're becoming more popular, and yes, they exist in the US. I would be surprised if there wasn't one in any major US city. 2. Escape rooms. I think there are at least 50 in my city. They're literally everywhere if I search on Google Maps. 3. Cafes. If you're looking for something low key, you should be able to find some cafes with some hot wine, snacks, and c…

Outside of a pub (which is a bar?) none of these places would typically be open on a late Fri/Sat. I think there's plenty of opportunity to reinvent the nightlife experience in a way that hasn't been done yet. Hopefully in a few years you can decide between a bar, club, or ____ at 12am on a Friday night. The idea of being sandwiched in the middle of loud drunk sweaty people in a place where I can barely hear what som…

> Outside of a pub (which is a bar?) none of these places would typically be open on a late Fri/Sat.

How late are you talking about? I'm looking at the weekend hours now in my city.

Board game venues: 2AM.

Escape rooms: Midnight - 1AM.

VR: Midnight

Meetup/Couchsurfing: I've been out to 5AM.

Rooftop/outdoor movies obviously don't start until after dark, and then they usually serve alcohol, so people hang out and have drinks after.

Bowling: 2AM

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by hodgesrm »

Basically it feels as if parts of American society are becoming desocialized--losing the ability to interact effectively with other members of the society. This article echoes Robert Putnam's "Bowling Alone" thesis [0]. His ideas are at least a quarter century old but now seem prescient.

I find the social changes the Wired article describes far more disturbing than the "Internet is frying our brains" threat that people like Nick Carr fear, let alone Artificial General Intelligence. Unlike the latter we see evidence of the former on a daily basis.

[0] http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/assoc/bowling.html

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by the-dude »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #62
pavel_lishin wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America is a wholly different place. I was born in the mid-80s in Moscow, Russia, and moved to America when I was ten. Before I moved, I was regularly taking the subway, with transfers, to school - by myself. Here in America, I had a coworker a few years ago who literally would not let his double-digit-aged children cross the street to school by themselves. It's a weird fuckin' place.

I was born in '71. When I was 11 or 12 my friends and I could ride our bikes basically wherever we wanted to go. Our only rule was be home before the street lights turned on. The 80's happened which brought a few highly publicized child abductions/murders. Notably the Walsh child. His father scared every parent into becoming a helicopter parent. (Not judging, just saying). People really haven't loosened up much since…

Strangely enough, the movie E.T. comes to my mind. It is a movie of my 'era' and it depicted a loose (normal) parenting style.

Of course it was fiction, but still.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by hrktb »

dragonwriter wrote: post #38
glitcher wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to agree with you. Although I also don't have any hard evidence, it seems to me that growing up in the 80's, there was far less parental supervision of kids then there is now. In the summertime during school break, even as early as elementary school probably 3rd grade, we would take off on our bikes and roam without any supervision. As long as we were home by sundown we wouldn't be in any trouble.

This is definitely true, and driven in part by media-driven hysteria that has led to the decades of the perception that child abduction and similar child targeting crimes are on the rise, while the reverse has been the case.

I think it’s not just that.

For instance 20 years ago there was public phone booths everywhere. A kid would just need a few coins and the house number to do a call, now you’d need a cell phone, and giving one to a 5~8 year kid is still not practical.

Or I remember shopping at local shops enough to know their faces and names, or ask shop owner if the other kids where nearby. I don’t think my kid knows anyone other than the bakery people, because local shops have nothing for him at this point.

Same with police or church member perception, I think our generation is less OK to just say to a kid “if there’s any problem just trust the police”. It becomes a weird and complex message of what the institution’s goal is, what’s OK and not OK for them to do, what’s the warning signs, what to do in case stuff gets weird etc.

TL;DR: A lot of stuff changed in the last decades, we can’t just blindly do the same as before.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by pavel_lishin »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #62
pavel_lishin wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America is a wholly different place. I was born in the mid-80s in Moscow, Russia, and moved to America when I was ten. Before I moved, I was regularly taking the subway, with transfers, to school - by myself. Here in America, I had a coworker a few years ago who literally would not let his double-digit-aged children cross the street to school by themselves. It's a weird fuckin' place.

I was born in '71. When I was 11 or 12 my friends and I could ride our bikes basically wherever we wanted to go. Our only rule was be home before the street lights turned on. The 80's happened which brought a few highly publicized child abductions/murders. Notably the Walsh child. His father scared every parent into becoming a helicopter parent. (Not judging, just saying). People really haven't loosened up much since…

Yeah, when I moved to Texas, I was riding my bike ten miles to the next biggest city[1] and back for pizza. Some other kids had the same kind of freedom; some didn't at all.

My understanding of Russia is that serial murderers Did Not Exist by decree; certainly not serial child murderers like Andrei Chikatilo. The city never felt unsafe to me; I think I really felt that ethos of "we're all in this together", especially based on a childhood incident where I got lost at a public event, and a stranger brought me home. (Of course I knew where I lived; I was a child, not an idiot.)

[1] https://goo.gl/maps/jx3Y76UuXN62 - moderately rural most of the way.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by kthejoker2 »

Nothing new under the sun ...

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Human contacts have been so highly valued in the past only because reading was not a common accomplishment and because books were scarce and difficult to reproduce. The world, you must remember, is only just becoming literate. As reading becomes more and more habitual and widespread, an ever-increasing number of people will discover that books will give them all the pleasures of social life and none of its intolerable tedium. At present people in search of pleasure naturally tend to congregate in large herds and to make a noise; in future their natural tendency will be to seek solitude and quiet.

- Aldous Huxley, Chrome Yellow

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

the-dude wrote: post #65
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was born in '71. When I was 11 or 12 my friends and I could ride our bikes basically wherever we wanted to go. Our only rule was be home before the street lights turned on. The 80's happened which brought a few highly publicized child abductions/murders. Notably the Walsh child. His father scared every parent into becoming a helicopter parent. (Not judging, just saying). People really haven't loosened up much since…

Strangely enough, the movie E.T. comes to my mind. It is a movie of my 'era' and it depicted a loose (normal) parenting style. Of course it was fiction, but still.

Not fiction for me[0]. This was pretty much us. We could go where ever. And yeah, my folks parenting style was a bit... loose. But I was never one to get into trouble really, so there was some trust built up there.

[0] Except the alien thing.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Post by collyw »

nawtacawp wrote: post #41

Does the same hold true in Europe?

I worked in a company with a lot of 18-25 year olds recently.Based in Barcelona but a very international mix of people. They seemed to do a lot of drinking and a lot of social media (we had a work trip to Rome one weekend and they looked nervous when they didn't have wifi or their phone was out of charge).

As it was a very international crowd out of their home countries and most working in sales maybe it captured a fairly extroverted sample of the age group.

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