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Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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I know, I know this is anecdotal 'evidence'. I happen to be 21 which fits me right in this generation and the main reason this occurs is due to parenting. My parents wouldn't let me go _anywhere_ by myself until I was at least 17. By that time I was completely and utterly addicted to computing to just let go and 'hang out'. As a matter in fact most of my friends are online rather than 4 real friends in real life. It…

I tend to agree with you. Although I also don't have any hard evidence, it seems to me that growing up in the 80's, there was far less parental supervision of kids then there is now. In the summertime during school break, even as early as elementary school probably 3rd grade, we would take off on our bikes and roam without any supervision. As long as we were home by sundown we wouldn't be in any trouble.

It wasn't an 80's thing either... I grew up in the 70s/80s and we as kids were free to wander all day long (in the summer), just had to be home by dinner.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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ok, but NL has like zero crime, so it doesn't seem like a big deal

True, we have no police either.

Lao Tzu sees a correlation. I'm 32, and my boundaries gradually increased from "the front yard, ask to go across the street" to "the street, ask to go around the block or park" etc. I lived in urban South Minneapolis, so not rough but not gentle... enough to build habitual awareness. We were a roving pack of 5+ kids at a given time, as many as 12 or so. I addicted myself to computer screens against my parents' wishes (they prefer TV), although if not for screens I'd probably do as my vice principal said and "flip [him] a good burger someday". There were ample police and one possible abduction attempt outside with my cousin while very young, sooo...

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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I wonder why the "young adult nightlife experience" feels so stagnant. I like going to the occasional upscale cocktail bar, but in general spending Friday or Saturday night in a crowded bar or club is not my idea of a fun thing to do. What is the alternative for more introverted people? Stay home? I went to Copenhagen recently and on a Friday night came across a big coffee/beer+wine place with lots of tables/sofas th…

We got them all over the DC area, and they are mostly microbreweries. Most don't serve food since they don't have a kitchen or a license for that, but they often times have food trucks outside where you get your snacks.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extraversion/Introversion is one of the big five personality traits and is ~50% heritable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#He... That's not to say introversion/extraversion wouldn't manifest differently in different contexts, but the trait does exist (as much as any personality trait does) and appears to have a large genetic component to it.

Isn't "~50% heritable" a different way of stating that the results are indistinguishable from a coin flip? That doesn't sound too hereditary.

No? Lets say we intro-/extroversion is either heritable (with prob .5) or random(with prob .5). If both of your parents are introverted you have a 50% chance of inheriting the introversion of your parents or a 50% chance at a coinflip, which gives us 75% for introversion and 25% for extraversion.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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While I'm slightly too old to have experienced what the article is describing, the trend is there and I believe technology plays an undenyable role (followed by parenting). I have many siblings but notably a brother who's in his first year high school. I also just attended a wedding and got to meet the high school brother of the groom.

I was talking to my brother on NYE. He was lamenting that he could not find anyone to hang out with on NYE for a party. We asked why he didn't text people and get something together, "that's not how it works, people communicate with snapchat, and I'm not allowed to have that, not that I want it.. it's just people posting weed and coke stories". He was obviously a little moody but still unable to find any social gathering (even a parent hosted on) on NYE of all nights.

The brother of the groom: nice kid but wholly uninterested in anything other than maintaining his snapchat streaks. First he came to me for data. A few days later his phone was dead and he wanted to install snapchat on my phone to continue the streaks. It's psychologically addicting. And it made me realize how much people are depending on fabricated social experiences on their phones instead of real social interactions.

One thing is common: snapchat. People don't hang out anymore, they have streaks. If they do hang out it's over pot or coke, no one is even that interested in drinking these days. Oh no tech is ruining everything! Well, no. But something is happening. It's not snapchat's fault, either (unless they deliberately exploit addicting behaviors to increase engagement and retention). I think parents are largely to blame. It's easy to let your 14yr old become consumed in their phone because that means more internet time and less driving around for you. My parents are very wary of this and it's largely why they waited as long as they could before giving my younger brothers a phone and why they are reluctant to let them create an entirely digital social life.

My generation, we discovered the internet before our parents knew what it was. I administered networks at 15. I built websites at 14. I was a moderator of large forums at 13. My dad gave me his old laptop when I was 12--bobs celebs era. And I think I've turned out pretty decent.

So it leaves me all really torn. Do we embrace technology or shun it? My main fear isn't necessarily the tech itself, but the dependence on it. I fear the iGen isn't learning how to use computers as tools and simply becoming consumers of all the experiences we create with them. And at the same time I hate some of those things we've created like SC and FB for literally taking the human out of humanity--despite having grown quite accustomed to virtual interactions growing up.

So I guess the real question is whether it's a problem that people aren't socializing anymore, or at least doing it differently. And if so what will we do about it? Maybe AR to the rescue...

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

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It's worth digging one level deeper.

Screen time has increased, and it may be at the expense of parties, but screen time is also an unsupervised place where the parties have an expectation of privacy and control.

The stereotypical party the article laments is a complex affair that requires transportation, supplies, a venue, and desirable participants, and doesn't spring into place organically. Social circles at colleges can organize these, but there has been extraordinary scrutiny into campus parties in recent years, due to accounts of sexual assaults. These related developments makes them more difficult to plan, drives desirable participants away, and makes resulting parties less enjoyable. With common people's parties blunted, partying becomes the domain of the wealthy and attractive, in entertainment playgrounds like Miami and Vegas.

As for teenagers, parental supervision is at an all-time high, so organizing a party often requires finding a cooperating adult (e.g. a socially-connected college student, an older sibling, a laissez-faire parent) who is willing to provide the venue and supplies away from the eyes of concerned parents. Fewer college parties means fewer teen parties too.

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

#49
post #25

I think a decent portion should also be laid at the feet of technology in general, not even just Netflix, but also that how teens interact on social media is more or less in the public (and their parents) eyes, with the exceptions of things like Snapchat which isn't very conducive to planning a party. It's also worth noting that it's much, much harder for teens to get ahold of booze these days, and the penalties for…

> it's much, much harder for teens to get ahold of booze these days Which I think is foolish. Of course total prohibition followed by total access a day later leads to abuse and binging. It’s simply stupid. I’d had decent, safe access to alcohol for a while before my twenty first rolled around, and as a consequence had no desire to drink until I die of alcohol poisoning when it was legal. I don’t know exactly how to…

My parents were very liberal regarding alcohol; I'd request, they'd see how much I'd requested recently (wasn't ever much, spent too much money on video-games to afford alcoholism) they'd pick it up for me. In fact my Dad educated me a lot on whiskeys, what to look for, what to avoid, etc.

I never felt alcohol was stigmatized in my house, and so when I turned 21, I did have a pretty big party with other drinking aged friends and actually bought drinks myself at restaurants, but aside of that, not much changed. I still drink socially, but I've never felt even the slightest urge to overdo it (and in fact, only get stumble drunk at home with friends).

Re: Teens Aren’t Partying Anymore

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extraversion/Introversion is one of the big five personality traits and is ~50% heritable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#He... That's not to say introversion/extraversion wouldn't manifest differently in different contexts, but the trait does exist (as much as any personality trait does) and appears to have a large genetic component to it.

Heritable doesn't necessarily imply genetic. Culture is heritable. Traits can propagate through generations memetically.

"Heritable" definitely means genetic when used in a technical rather than a casual sense, though. Studies control for environment by looking at, for example, identical twins adopted by different families.
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