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Well it seems like the people there are trying really hard to ruin their country. It's all self-inflicted. Seems like they deserve what's coming to them.
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This is a bit of a nitpick but saying a country has nice people bothers me. It sounds like an empty platitude when they don't have much else to be proud of. Do you really mean Indonesians are nicer than people from somewhere else? What countries don't have nice people?
Try asking directions in accented English in Paris.
Yeah Jakarta was founded as the Amsterdam of the East Indies. Sadly Indonesia doesn't have the near limitless resources of its old colonial owner that keeps Amsterdam/Holland from sinking. Climate change is going to hurt the poorer countries the most.
Climate change is not the reason Jakarta is sinking. That is caused by the Jakartans themselves.
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Well, probably one of the biggest factors affecting the aquifer recharge rate would be the loss of forests and mangroves.
Or maybe they are just overdrawing it above the recharge rate like it happens in the Central valley in California.
California is a much more arid region with dry/wet years. Jakarta is tropical, gets roughly 3x the rainfall as San Francisco and has much more consistent/predictable weather, though with climate change, the storms they're seeing are becoming more intense. I'm not sure you can compare the two because California is legitimately a situation of using more water each year than we get in rainfall. In Jakarta, is likely funneling rainfall into the ocean and then draining the aquifers. And while both situations are cases of taking out more water than is being put in, the root causes are very different.
Yeah Jakarta was founded as the Amsterdam of the East Indies. Sadly Indonesia doesn't have the near limitless resources of its old colonial owner that keeps Amsterdam/Holland from sinking. Climate change is going to hurt the poorer countries the most.
People often say that about climate change but isn't it fairly general and obvious that widespread problems hurt poor people the most? In a food shortage, the people who can't afford for food starve first. In developed coastal land shortage, the people who can't afford mitigations have their lives disrupted the most. When a war happens, the people who can't afford to flee get caught up in it. People who can't afford…
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You used a lot of words to hide the lack of any support for your argument.
Do the simple calculations yourself and see what they need to explain.
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I think it's a shorthand way of saying, "I travelled there, I had nice experience. I would recommend it." People tend to use various phrases they hear over and over again, becoming automatic and it loses some of its literal meaning. For example, "Good morning", should not be taken literally. In the US, I also get tired of people saying, "Hi. How are you?" It doesn't mean they want to know your true feelings, just som…
I know people say it without thinking. But I for one really do not mind it if people tell me how they are actually doing. Beat down. Bored. Optimistic. I'm okay with all of these answers.
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You used a lot of words to hide the lack of any support for your argument.
Do the simple calculations yourself and see what they need to explain.
So no, I won’t be doing any simple calculations.
So the city is sinking many inches, even feet per year(due to excessive ground water withdrawals). With all the problems the city has, how does climate change(an average sea level rise of a few millimeters per year) even wind up on the reporters radar? I'm no denier, but it aggravates me when someone tries to force a connection to global warming/climate change.
Sea levels are projected to rise from 0.6 to 6 meters this century. [1] So while urban sinking is a much bigger immediate threat, climate change will pose a significant problem in the near future, and—crucially—will affect every coastal city in the world , not just Jakarta. [1]: https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understanding-sea-level/projection...
1) No duh. Who was that statement for? Nobody is debating that GW is terrible. But we're not talking about global warming.
2) You're doing exactly what he's talking about. Shoehorning in global warming where it's not needed.
You can discuss murder rates of a single city without shoehorning in murder rates of the "highest murder rate city in the world" every time.
You can discuss diseases without having to shoehorn in that "cancer is the worst disease" into every conversation.
The only connection to global warming in this case... is water. "Well, Atlantic City is experiencing low tourism rates." "THAT WON'T MATTER WHEN GLOBAL WARMING WASHES IT INTO THE OCEAN!" (etc)
Well it seems like the people there are trying really hard to ruin their country. It's all self-inflicted. Seems like they deserve what's coming to them.
That's a really careless and thoughtless opinion, and it completely dismisses the complexity of human organizational decision making.