What the heck is a "brogrammer" anyway? It's one of those words I thought I understood just from its contsruction, but the more I see it used by others, the more confused I get.
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Practical tips for writing inclusive job ads (2016)
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#62Job postings that emphasize mandatory after-hours events especially based around alcohol are incredibly off-putting to multiple groups of candidates (senior engineers with families, introverts, non-drinkers, etc.). Things like "we have a beer keg in the office", "happy hours", or "work hard play hard".
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#63Can someone define what a "rockstar programmer" is and why a company would want to not hire rockstar programmers? Here's one definition I found: http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=ChrisTTT A computer programmer with such strong skills and so much specific experience that they are the equivalent of a rock star in the domain of software. Many people play guitar pretty well, but only a few become rock star…
I'll tackle this. - If they are expected to do 5-10 times the amount of software development as a regular new programmer, are they going to be offered 5-10 times the regular salary? - Are all the other programmers at the company dramatically more effective than a regular programmer? Most competent people don't think of themselves as being exceptionally better than their peers, so if that's the case, they probably sho…
>I'll tackle this.
tackle is a very exclusive term, consider the language you use on tech sites and how it can exclude others from tech.
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#64Why not just skip all the weasel words and have a big "WHITE MEN NEED NOT APPLY"? If you are looking to specifically discriminate against white males then say so, I'm sure the potential minority candidate would be much more encouraged to apply knowing that their major competition has been disqualified already.
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#65It's been found that women generally look at job ads and find the things they can't do. They will feel underqualified and not apply. I think that's the reasoning behind taking out "several years", etc.
As a female junior software dev, I honestly would be more likely to apply to the revised job ad than the original. So, good job to them I guess.
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#66Why not just skip all the weasel words and have a big "WHITE MEN NEED NOT APPLY"? If you are looking to specifically discriminate against white males then say so, I'm sure the potential minority candidate would be much more encouraged to apply knowing that their major competition has been disqualified already.
The revised language is attempting to widen the applicant base.
If you consider that eliminating your chances of getting the job, I would re-evaluate your own application not the job ad.
Re: Practical tips for writing inclusive job ads (2016)
#67Why not just skip all the weasel words and have a big "WHITE MEN NEED NOT APPLY"? If you are looking to specifically discriminate against white males then say so, I'm sure the potential minority candidate would be much more encouraged to apply knowing that their major competition has been disqualified already.
The revised language is attempting to widen the applicant base. If you consider that eliminating your chances of getting the job, I would re-evaluate your own application not the job ad.
Then what does it have to do with "diversity"? Why does the author even mention it if the only goal is to get more people to apply? Dropping your experience requirements in a job ad quite obviously would increase number of applicants, why do we need an article for that?
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand that their message is "this is not a frat". However, I still absolutely hate the pejorative usage of brogrammer. People do not use it to exclusively refer to culture. It is absolutely a label that is applied to people. Sitting here, I feel like I am part of the specter of brogrammers that looms over the industry. Whether it was their intended usage or not, I feel like this term is referring to programmer…
i agree that it’s often used pejoratively to define people. i was not trying to justify that kind of usage. i was simply pointing out that the article generally uses the term as an adjective, not as a noun (i.e., it’s something you can wear, not something you can be). however you are right that the called-out text from the job ad uses it as a noun, unfortunately. i’m curious why the phrasing makes you feel it’s toxic…
From the article:
>This is amusing and captures our opposition to Silicon Valley rockstar/brogrammer culture
If they are saying that Silicon Valley's culture is a brogrammer culture, they are probably talking about the culture of the dominant group there. If I worked in that area, I would be part of that dominant group.
So, my question is how they would screen out "brogrammers" during an interview process. I think someone looking to filter out this group would have a strong chance of looking at me and fitting me part of it.
If it is as pervasive as they say, then it probably includes me. That is how I see it used most of the time, describing tech's overall culture. I am part of tech's culture, and I am a fit white male who programs. I assume that I am perceived as a brogrammer by many people who use the term.