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A Mercedes would spend 112 days out of two years in the shop? I know some people with MBs, and they aren't in the shop one day per week...
That's ten 30k mile services and probably 20-30 oil changes on a gas car.
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Interesting. Do you have any citations handy? Thanks!
https://www.inverse.com/article/32239-why-gm-loses-money-che... claims a loss of $9k/vehicle, but the manufacturer does it to keep their average emissions/vehicle under legal limits.
Not terribly impressive to me. I have about $15k in my 2003 Honda Pilot.
The Model S is a luxury car. A much better comparison to your Pilot will be the Model 3, though of course it will be a good while before we have the long-term data for it.
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I don't think that's apples-to-apples -- you have to go out of your way to always use a supercharger, so you'd have to account for the value of the time lost in traveling to a supercharger station compared to doing all the same journeys and using nearby gas stations. (Refueling at a supercharger is slower too, so that's extra fillup time.) Alternatively you could use the electricity cost of recharging it at home, plu…
> I don't think that's apples-to-apples -- you have to go out of your way to always use a supercharger For average person - yes, Tesloop, however, is Culver City - based, also known as home to the Culver City Supercharger, so there's a bit of a hometown advantage for them. In fact, Tesla's recent penalty fee for hogging a supercharger spot long after the vehicle has finished charging is related to Tesla owners' compl…
A Mercedes would spend 112 days out of two years in the shop? I know some people with MBs, and they aren't in the shop one day per week...
Most normal people dont put 300k miles on their car in two years either. That's ten 30k mile services and probably 20-30 oil changes on a gas car.
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I never said I wish to punish them regulatorily. I disprove of such tactics in general. I said that I (personally) will punish them financially by not buying their products until I can be sure they can provide the level of service that I require.
Then you were likely never an ideal early adopter for their products anyway, which is how they should be perceived if you want to compare them to Chevy and Ford. It may not be polite to say this but it's the reality of business. Tesla's ability to solve this problem will likely be their greatest challenge going forward. They've proven repeatedly that they can get their product and marketing right to get customers. Bu…
There's no way to phrase "wait 1+ month for needed, at times limiting, service on a $100,000+ vehicle" as being acceptable in any shape or form, not even "oh well, I guess you're just not an ideal early adopter". Especially as Tesla was claiming their disconnect from the dealership model was a good thing (which I agree upon).
Sadly, if you are not a company with a name like Tesloop, but a normal user, the issue is not cost of service but time wasted on waiting for it. Unlike a real car, teslas can only be serviced by tesla...so.... https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldunne/2016/10/31/my-firs... https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/03/07/repairing-my-tesla... http://www.autonews.com/article/20161113/RETAIL05/311149995/... http://insideevs.c…
They do admit they have a problem on that front and are addressing it, so there's no reason to think it's a permanent issue that will still be around in 3-5 years. Mobile deployment trucks, e.g., are handling the easiest issues that do not require a visit to a service center. Tesla's service centers are all corporate-owned, so unlike traditional dealership model, all the startup and operating costs are born by the co…
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> I don't think that's apples-to-apples -- you have to go out of your way to always use a supercharger For average person - yes, Tesloop, however, is Culver City - based, also known as home to the Culver City Supercharger, so there's a bit of a hometown advantage for them. In fact, Tesla's recent penalty fee for hogging a supercharger spot long after the vehicle has finished charging is related to Tesla owners' compl…
Okay, but then the comparison should be marked as a TCO comparison just for Culver City , which is, for that reason, atypical.
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> Oh, and forget doing your own maintenance or buying parts to do so. No such luck - Unlike a real car manufacturer, Tesla won't sell them to you. That might be a legitimate criticism of an economy priced car targeted at a very cost sensitive market, but a Tesla Model S is not that car. I doubt a significant fraction of owners of recent model year $100k+ luxury cars are doing their own maintenance, or there are enoug…
If the alternative is waiting over a month for a service appointment I think a lot of people would be willing do do a home repair.
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That sounds.... Really complex. What problem is being solved?
Self-leveling and washing are required by law for lights beyond a certain brightness. Older tech halogen headlights aren't as bright and don't require the fancy actuators and wipers. Brighter lights, of any source, require both.