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Re: Tech is the best industry for women

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any facts to back this up? I would say education is pretty irrelevant if you've actually got something to show off (open source projects, etc).

It's not the education per se, it's the higher probability distribution of how good you are.

And, perhaps more significantly, the social cachet of the institution among the population doing hiring and the probability of your network intersecting with those of the people doing hiring.

Re: Tech is the best industry for women

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Please, before this degrades into the inevitable shouting match, let's please consider that there are two things that can both simultaneously be true: 1.Tech is less bad than many, many other industries. I can personally speak to overt, even illegal sexism in the field of medicine at a level that would cause riots in tech. I’ve heard similar stories in academia, to say nothing of fields like manufacturing. We live in…

In Hollywood, men at certain levels throw tantrums and break things when something isn't to their liking. It's changing a little and the film industry is ready for a comeuppance. But in IT and many other industries this kind of behavior would get you flat-out escorted out of the building. What's considered OK on a film set is not tolerated in most offices.

> In Hollywood, men at certain levels throw tantrums and break things when something isn't to their liking.

How is that a gender specific thing?

Re: Tech is the best industry for women

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"I'm a stripper" [or whatnot] "and techies treated me just fine." Not exactly changing my mind about bro culture.

You're implying that there could be something wrong with treating a stripper "just fine". How should a person treat a stripper?

I'm implying nothing of the sort. I'm saying OF COURSE they treated her well. When they treat the unattractive and "not fun" (i.e. strictly professional) women that way, is when you'll know there's no sexism going on.

Re: Tech is the best industry for women

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I think tech represents a good implementation of a meritocracy. You are welcomed to be weird and yourself, as long as you get your work done. Think about your coworkers-- you've got some weird ones. Dyed hair? Check. Burlesque dancing? Check. Gender non-conforming? Check. Goes to Burning Man? Check, check, self-check. Any of these things could get you fired from teaching kindergarten. Let's keep tech inclusive and ac…

I mostly agree but the Brendan Eich firing and the dongle joke kerfuffle are counterfactuals. Or, taking a group example instead of individuals, "brogrammers".

I think you can be unpopular or stick out in a lot of ways and still be successful, but I don't think it's as simple as come-as-you-are. You'll do fine (I'm sure Eich is personally fine) but you can easily hit some challenges along the way.

Re: Tech is the best industry for women

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I'm curious if this was a response letter to the other female-tech blog post ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14868390 ). You don't seem like a stick in the mud, which makes me believe that the other poster is. Not a fair comparison, I admit. I don't know either of you, so that's just the impression I get from these two separate posts.

I did not see that post until you put it here

interesting post, I'm sure this will ruffle a lot of feathers in the Tech scene.

But kudos on the audacity.

Re: Tech is the best industry for women

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post #29

Ah yes, the "cool tech girl" position. https://code.likeagirl.io/the-myth-of-the-cool-tech-girl-786... I'm glad she has a positive experience. It's far from common. I wish her good luck on the road of discovering empathy.

What exactly is wrong with ping-pong tournaments?

Re: Tech is the best industry for women

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly here. School wasn't the best fit for me and tech was great because (like politics, which I also spent ~5 years in) you didn't need a fancy degree to get a job.

> you didn't need a fancy degree to get a job. What's wrong with a fancy degree? I don't understand why fancy degree is used as a pejorative around here. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that most people these days that come from bootcamps make more money than people with "fancy degree"s.

The pejorative is for companies that are requiring fancy degrees for simple jobs and not for the degrees themselves.
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