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Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by CuriousSkeptic » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 1:57 PM UTC

ekidd wrote: post #45

beagle3 wrote: post #6

Note that (at least the summary indicates) this experiment refutes "calories in calories out" theory - food composition affects thermogenesis. (I am not talking about the tautological and useless thermodynamic sense in which it definitely is true; I am talking about the "measure your intake and exercise" crowd)

"Calories in, calories out" is both true (in the thermodynamic sense) and accurate enough to be useful (in a practical sense). I've personally performed the experiment, using MyFitnessPal and a $14 digital scale, and it turns out that I can control my weight to within a few pounds. There are a few caveats: - Yes, your diet composition does have metabolic effects. Protein, sugar and fat all follow different metabolic…

Actually most diets fail because you stop dieting AND when you do, you now have decreased your metabolic rate and increased your production of hunger hormone. In summary you are way more likely to fail keeping a stable weight after dieting then you were before.

The failure rate is something like 98%

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by quodestabsurdum » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 2:03 PM UTC

bilbo0s wrote: post #53

dade_ wrote: post #43

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Sucrose is one part fructose and one part glucose. Our cells use glucose for energy directly, the liver metabolizes fructose. This similarity of fructose and alcohol is the basis of the whole sugar is a poison. Fruit is fructose, which is probably why we are to be able to metabolize it, but fruit is generally very high in fibre and around the size of a serving or 2. Serving sizes of juice and additive sugars are extr…

A bit off topic, but if anyone reading through could explain to me why adding fiber to fructose makes it "good" sugar I'd be really interested. I mean, I know that we need fruits and vegetables in our diets. I know that apples and carrots are good for me. I just don't understand why fructose without fiber is bad? Right now... I just don't drink the soda or sugary drinks at all. But I don't really understand the scien…

It's less a matter of making fructose into a good sugar, and more a matter of reducing the bioavailability of it. When you eat a piece of fruit, your body has to break it down in order to get at the fructose, and that takes enough time that you're now competing with your gut bacteria for access to that fructose. When you drink it in a soda, it's much easier to process and you have a significantly higher chance of absorbing it at soon at it enters your small intestine.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by auxym » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 2:14 PM UTC

will_brown wrote: post #52

phicoh wrote: post #41

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My (entirely non-scientific) opinion is that most people exercise the wrong way. After a bit of training, muscles can store carbon-hydrates for about 1.5 hours of exercise. When these carbs a burned, muscles take new carbs directly from the blood stream. So if you exercise by burning mostly carbs and don't eat, you end up with low blood sugar levels and a very strong urge to eat. The trick is to burn fat. But to burn…

I'm a distance runner and personally find I enjoy a high fat diet for balancing weight, performance (how I feel more than time), and physique (entirely ego driven, but can't over look the real effect of thoughts/beliefs on health). That said I have personally run on high fat (even in ketosis, and seperately eating animal products and vegan); high protein/more fairly a body builder bulking macro(including dairy protei…

This whole toxins thing is a load of crap.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-m...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_me...

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by SCHiM » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 2:15 PM UTC

CuriousSkeptic wrote: post #61

ekidd wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Calories in, calories out" is both true (in the thermodynamic sense) and accurate enough to be useful (in a practical sense). I've personally performed the experiment, using MyFitnessPal and a $14 digital scale, and it turns out that I can control my weight to within a few pounds. There are a few caveats: - Yes, your diet composition does have metabolic effects. Protein, sugar and fat all follow different metabolic…

Actually most diets fail because you stop dieting AND when you do, you now have decreased your metabolic rate and increased your production of hunger hormone. In summary you are way more likely to fail keeping a stable weight after dieting then you were before. The failure rate is something like 98%

But that's the point. A diet is not something that you do a few months after which you get and keep a killer figure while returning to eating whatever you want. A diet should be the preliminary to a permanent shift in eating habits.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by KludgyPerl » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 2:20 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #21

spodek wrote: post #10

> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

Fruit juice? Does fructose vs sucrose make a difference?

Yes.

Fructose loads your liver. Sucrose breaks down into glucose (which can be metabolized by many cells) and fructose (which is only metabolized by the liver). They're both bad when over consumed.

This laid out pretty well in The Obesity Code by Jason Fung (a real doctor).

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by heymijo » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 2:21 PM UTC

burger_moon wrote: post #59

ulber wrote: post #33

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The control group in this study was drinking an artificially sweetened drink in place of the sugary one. Otherwise, this answer [1] refers to recent studies having shown insulin rising from artificial sweeteners, but says the research on links to actual weight gain is still ongoing (I have no idea if that answer is current). [1] http://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-art...

Do you have a subscription to that? I was only able to read the first paragraph but it mentioned resistance to insulin which I thought is different than temporarily causing your insulin levels to rise from consuming a sugary drink or eating a high carb food like rice. I'm really interested to know if drinking something with sugar alcohol,aspartame, or sucralose causes insulin level spikes like sugar does.

In the event GP doesn't respond, I probably have the same unsatisfactory answer that the Q&A from the link does: we don't yet know.

I too, have the same interest regarding insulin spikes from artificial sweeteners and spent considerable time researching. Caveat, this was about five years ago so there could be new findings.

While the research is inconclusive, I personally try to cut down on artificial sweeteners. I suspect they can cause an insulin response. This is based on my understanding of the literature and my n=1 experiments.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by majkinetor » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 2:26 PM UTC

wolco wrote: post #26

barking wrote: post #25

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Except swimming where a lot of calories are burned to maintain body temperature. The number of calories top swimmers have to eat per day dwarfs those of other sports I believe. In fact I believe being cold in general is a good idea all else being equal if you want to lose weight but the advantage of water is that it's a better conductor of heat out of your body than air is.

Cold in general prompts the body to begin to hold fat. Heat makes breaking of bonds easier.

Cold in general also makes your brown fat more prominent relative to the white fat. The brown fat is the good one, and its purpose is to dissipates heat. If you are never cold, it will get reduced to the minimum in a 'use it or loose' it sense.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by majkinetor » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 2:29 PM UTC

auxym wrote: post #63

will_brown wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a distance runner and personally find I enjoy a high fat diet for balancing weight, performance (how I feel more than time), and physique (entirely ego driven, but can't over look the real effect of thoughts/beliefs on health). That said I have personally run on high fat (even in ketosis, and seperately eating animal products and vegan); high protein/more fairly a body builder bulking macro(including dairy protei…

This whole toxins thing is a load of crap. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-m... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_me...

Yeah, because toxins do not exist, right ? And you can't ingest them or be exposed to them chronically. It only makes sense that we all live in perfectly clean environment and eat perfectly nutritious food 24x7 ...

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by Pica_soO » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 2:29 PM UTC

So O-Juices and Eggs are a sin, to the holy church of body now? Well sorry, if i sin on like a old heathen, while you drive up your blood pressure in your schisms, popes and anti-popes.

Seriously, fruit was a base part of our food source - since we walked out of the djungle. And we have cravings for it, wherever we go- to get some honey, some overripe mango. If somebody wants to declare that unhealthy, he is free to experiment on himself.

And yes, those monkeys did binge mango eating. Binge Banana, we did alot of binge, and alot of starving, when the source of food was gone and the hunt was on again. To try to fight these instincts, with self-moderation is kind of funny.

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Post by meesterdude » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 2:29 PM UTC

cma wrote: post #50

rebuilder wrote: post #34

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Moving the mass of a human body over a mile on one tablespoon of fuel is highly efficient! Edit: tablespoon, not tea-

Trains do about 30 times better on a tablespoon of diesel, and that's only including the weight of the freight and not the train itself.

i feel like a train isn't going to get anywhere on a tablespoon. That's enough for a few engine strokes perhaps, but that's hardly 30 times better than a mile by a human, no?