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It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by EliRivers »

supremesaboteur wrote: post #60

> anti-egalitarian anti-egalitarian when it comes to outcomes, pro-egalitarian when it comes to opportunity > avowedly Christian This ... is a bad thing ? It is not a bad thing to be unashamed of being a Christian. > pro-Big Business Pro-business. Small and Big. Pro-jobs. > pro-military Pro-self-defense. > neo-liberal Classical liberal

Pro-military. The attitude of the typical US citizen (and government) towards their military is markedly more pro-military than in Europe. The article suggests that the UK is working towards being more pro-military, but the UK is far, far behind in that respect (and in many aspects, I'd say UK culture is less pro-military than large parts of Europe; to a large extent, the military in the UK is out of sight and out of mind).

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by jamesrcole »

supremesaboteur wrote: post #60

> anti-egalitarian anti-egalitarian when it comes to outcomes, pro-egalitarian when it comes to opportunity > avowedly Christian This ... is a bad thing ? It is not a bad thing to be unashamed of being a Christian. > pro-Big Business Pro-business. Small and Big. Pro-jobs. > pro-military Pro-self-defense. > neo-liberal Classical liberal

>> avowedly Christian

> This ... is a bad thing ? It is not a bad thing to be unashamed of being a Christian.

The bit you're quoting is not talking about a person, like a person being ashamed of something or not. It's talking about the governmental stance towards a country. The full quote being "So, while the Tories in Britain and the Republicans in the United States set about creating a neo-liberal Anglosphere – anti-egalitarian, avowedly Christian, pro-Big Business, pro-military"

Even someone who's a proud Christian has good reasons not to want the country to be avowedly in favour of one religion. (i'm not saying all Christians would hold this view).

As an atheist, I wouldn't want the country to go that way.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by carlob »

deepnet wrote: post #54
GordonS wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are some places in Canada even speak Scottish Nit to be pedantic... but do you mean they speak with a sort of Scottish accent , or do you mean they are actually using words from Scots, Doric or some other Scottish dialect?

Scots is a language, historically equivalent to English - very similar but different. Many modern english speakers derive from a Scots root rather than a purely English one. E.g. Scots has a plural form of you, 'yous' and other differences. Scotland has many other dialects like Doric and accents and other languages like the Gaelic of the Highlands.

> Scots is a language, historically equivalent to English - very similar but different.

What is considered a language or a dialect is largely a political construct. By the way you put it, it seems to be the case here too.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by ntelson1s »

bsder wrote: post #38
camus2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calexit will of course never happen. Any secession attempt would automatically lead to yet another civil war. California would be crushed.

> California would be crushed. If California gets crushed, the rest of the country will starve . And you really think that a military that couldn't pacify a city with a bunch of camel jockeys carrying AK-47's could pacify Compton let alone something the size of Los Angeles or San Francisco? Good luck with that. Calexit won't happen because Californians really don't want it. We're a pretty level-headed bunch even when…

What's there to even pacify in LA and SF, especially with many not having guns because of laws here? What kind of far-fetched far-left drivel is this?

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by ntelson1s »

ryanx435 wrote: post #59
bsder wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those states didn't have the majority of the economic power when they tried it. The South needed to win ; the North simply needed to outlast.

Apps and search engines don't win wars

Please sir, you're disagreeing with the narrative where emotions mean more than statistics.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by bsder »

ryanx435 wrote: post #59
bsder wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those states didn't have the majority of the economic power when they tried it. The South needed to win ; the North simply needed to outlast.

Apps and search engines don't win wars

An army travels on it's stomach. http://www.westernfarmpress.com/tree-nuts/what-happens-if-us...

And, that oh-so-important-to-the-rest-of-the-country-farming, is less than 5% of California's GDP.

California's manufacturing sector is enormous. Good luck repairing your planes without California. And medicine? Oh, yeah, that biotech manufacturing goes bye bye. etc.

Our current highly interconnected economies rely on peace. If an actual significant war ever broke out, people would start starving immediately.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by bsder »

dba7dba wrote: post #56
bsder wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> California would be crushed. If California gets crushed, the rest of the country will starve . And you really think that a military that couldn't pacify a city with a bunch of camel jockeys carrying AK-47's could pacify Compton let alone something the size of Los Angeles or San Francisco? Good luck with that. Calexit won't happen because Californians really don't want it. We're a pretty level-headed bunch even when…

> If California gets crushed, the rest of the country will starve. See? That's why Calexit will never happen.

That's actually why Calexit would happen and military force wouldn't.

A military occupation shuts down all sectors immediately and they absolutely will not come back up for years. Look at what the Taiwan quake did in semiconductors. Now scale that up.

An orderly exit allows the rest of the country to continue buying California products.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by CalRobert »

geofft wrote: post #10
labster wrote: post #7

With the prospect of Calexit, I would definitely consider having California join Canada. Preexisting trade deals, membership in NATO and NAFTA, and a country used to bilingual culture would all be a great fit for us.

Calexit scares me because it's effectively abandoning the country; California can survive much more than the rest of the country can. It might be unfair to place that burden on California, sure, but it seem indisputable that leaving would destabilize the remaining United States in many ways - which won't be good for either Californians or anyone else. What's to stop New York, for instance, from also leaving once it r…

Calling the US a country may make sense, but I increasingly don't feel it's a nation. I feel more foreign in Missouri than in Ireland. I feel no more kinship or commonality with people from the US than from liberal western democracies (Canada, most of Europe, etc).

Also, California is arguably occupied. It is ruled by a federal government that lost an election by any reasonable measure. It lacks the right to secede due to a federal constitution which violates the generally acknowledged right of peoples to self-determination. Do you think three quarters of the states would ever vote to let the Californian cash cow secede? They milk it for all it's worth, all while complaining that California doesn't know what we're doing.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-f...

I left, but the first thirty years of my life were in California and it's a great place. It could be a lot greater without being yoked to an oppressive system that minimizes its vote, steals its cash, and actively opposes its aims in fields ranging from the environment, to immigration, to education, among others. We should stop pretending the US is united by anything more than coercion by the small states over the large. Would an independent California freely choose to join the US today? If not, perhaps we should reconsider whether this relationship is healthy. Perhaps other states should as well.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by supremesaboteur »

jamesrcole wrote: post #62
supremesaboteur wrote: post #60

> anti-egalitarian anti-egalitarian when it comes to outcomes, pro-egalitarian when it comes to opportunity > avowedly Christian This ... is a bad thing ? It is not a bad thing to be unashamed of being a Christian. > pro-Big Business Pro-business. Small and Big. Pro-jobs. > pro-military Pro-self-defense. > neo-liberal Classical liberal

>> avowedly Christian > This ... is a bad thing ? It is not a bad thing to be unashamed of being a Christian. The bit you're quoting is not talking about a person, like a person being ashamed of something or not. It's talking about the governmental stance towards a country. The full quote being "So, while the Tories in Britain and the Republicans in the United States set about creating a neo-liberal Anglosphere – ant…

It was talking about a political party, not the government. Political parties are set up to serve the interest of groups. For example, Republicans could be for defending the right of individuals to practice their religion in peace. For the unemployed to want to create more jobs so that they can live their lives with dignity. For people to keep their families safe through having a strong military etc.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by [deleted] »

bsder wrote: post #38
camus2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calexit will of course never happen. Any secession attempt would automatically lead to yet another civil war. California would be crushed.

> California would be crushed. If California gets crushed, the rest of the country will starve . And you really think that a military that couldn't pacify a city with a bunch of camel jockeys carrying AK-47's could pacify Compton let alone something the size of Los Angeles or San Francisco? Good luck with that. Calexit won't happen because Californians really don't want it. We're a pretty level-headed bunch even when…

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