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Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by marricks »

jordanthoms wrote: post #43
marricks wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it easiest? Perhaps most accessible how society is currently setup, but beans, tofu, etc are all good for you, plenty of vegan body builders rely on them. This "high quality" protein myth is garbage.

Chicken breast and many other meats have a much higher ratio of protein compared to carbs and fat than tofu, beans, etc.

This argument boggles my mind. Are we all body builders? Why do we need to eat like them? There's this protein craze going on that we all need to eat the densest sources of protein cause we all look like Arnold.

The amount of protein in seeds, tofu, seitan, nuts, legumes is plenty for almost anyone. And if you are power lifting even omnivore lifters take protein shakes after working out usually.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by marricks »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #60
marricks wrote: post #45

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I used to really like eating meat too. Also used to not like seitan or beans much, but now I love 'em. Tastes changed since I went vegan. If your litmus test for "viable" is what currently makes you the happiest you'll be blocked off from not only helping the world but likely helping yourself too.

> If your litmus test for "viable" is what currently makes you the happiest you'll be blocked off from not only helping the world but likely helping yourself too. I find that terribly narrow minded. It's not about "happiest". I've tried almost all of those before, several of them in multiple ways. I don't like the taste nor texture. So since I don't like the taste of what you like I am thusly being selfish and blocke…

I did not say, and would not, say I am better than you or the average person. I have no idea who you are. I'm sure not the next Mr. Rodgers or what have you, maybe you are. What I can say is making the change to vegan made me better than I was, and it took me being open and making a change.

Honestly though, this comes up a lot "catching more flies with honey" but I don't think these things should be spoken about obliquely, truth should be spoken plainly. I spoke true to my experience and knowledge as best I could and tried to be as polite as I could. Best of luck to you as well.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by sprocket »

Waterluvian wrote: post #59
sprocket wrote: post #52

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> After all, even pastured chicken tastes wildly better than conventional chicken. As a farmer who used to raise pastured chicken, I was always happy to convert people to what real chicken is supposed to taste like.

Is the difference simply that the meat is meat from a well fed, exercised chicken vs. a force fed obese monstrosity? Kind of like eating me vs. eating an Olympian.

I pastured Cornish Cross, which is the standard broiler barn chickens. They are genetically predisposed to pack on as much muscle in as short a time span as possible. By the time they're ~ 9 to 10 weeks old, they are waddling giants, and I'd definitely not characterize them as exercised. :)

That said, the difference that being able to forage green grass and insects in the short period they were out on pasture (usually 4-6 weeks, weather dependent) was so remarkable in terms of the flavour and the texture of the meat, that we're effectively ruined for eating any other non-pastured chickens. The fat was rich and velvety, the dark meat was meaty and deep in flavour; everything was just moist and juicy and delicious.

We didn't do many on a yearly basis (about 1000 +/-), and I was primarily using them for fertilizing pasture that I was grazing with our dairy herd. The fact that they were spectacular eating was just a side benefit.

If you're ever able to track one down, I'd highly recommend giving one a go.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by tdumitrescu »

michaelkeenan wrote: post #19
whyenot wrote: post #4

At $9,000 per pound of meat, this is not going to be replacing real meat from animals anytime soon. Chickens are already highly efficient when it comes to converting feed into edible meat. I'm skeptical that cell culture will ever be able to come close to the same level of efficiency. Cell cultures need to be sterile, the sugars, growth factors, and other nutrients used need to be highly refined. These are not requir…

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Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by debacle »

sprocket wrote: post #52
nicholas73 wrote: post #15

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I wish the tasting was done with simple preparations, so we can read about how it tastes compared to regular meat. After all, even pastured chicken tastes wildly better than conventional chicken.

> After all, even pastured chicken tastes wildly better than conventional chicken. As a farmer who used to raise pastured chicken, I was always happy to convert people to what real chicken is supposed to taste like.

I always thought good chicken tasted a bit like pork and peanut butter. It's a strange taste, but it makes store bought chicken always feel like it's missing something.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by Animats »

There's also Beyond Meat, which is textured vegetable protein run through a complicated extruder with hot and cold sections. This gives it most of the appearance and physical properties of real meat, at least at the burger level. That's much simpler to make than growing meat from cells.

Beyond Meat ought to be a low-price product, but it isn't.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by projectorlochsa »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #60
marricks wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to really like eating meat too. Also used to not like seitan or beans much, but now I love 'em. Tastes changed since I went vegan. If your litmus test for "viable" is what currently makes you the happiest you'll be blocked off from not only helping the world but likely helping yourself too.

> If your litmus test for "viable" is what currently makes you the happiest you'll be blocked off from not only helping the world but likely helping yourself too. I find that terribly narrow minded. It's not about "happiest". I've tried almost all of those before, several of them in multiple ways. I don't like the taste nor texture. So since I don't like the taste of what you like I am thusly being selfish and blocke…

Taste is acquired, it is not in your genes. Of course you will find foods and tastes that were present through your whole life better than new textures and tastes. It's normal.

Eventually one either gets used and enjoys the new foods or makes tasty meals in combination.

For me, getting drunk and then eating the disgusting thing in the morning made me love it. It's undescribable how delicious things are when one is dehydrated and when the disgusting taste of beer was the only thing in the mouth the night before.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by Ensorceled »

marricks wrote: post #42
m_fayer wrote: post #35

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Meat is the easiest form of high quality protein. Not everyone's digestive system is amenable to high quantities of non-meat protein sources or to high-carb diets.

How is it easiest? Perhaps most accessible how society is currently setup, but beans, tofu, etc are all good for you, plenty of vegan body builders rely on them. This "high quality" protein myth is garbage.

This is what drives me crazy about vegans.

Sorry, it is easier to eat meat. The protein IS higher quality, easier to digest and more balanced. Eating nutritional yeast and balancing your legumes, tofu and other protein sources to get a proper assortment of B vitamins and amino acids IS harder.

Not saying it's not healthier, not saying is not more ethical, not saying anything except it IS easier. Stop lying.

Re: Startup Serves Up Chicken Produced From Cells in Lab

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Post by lend000 »

I've fantasized about the Musk-esque projects I would take on if/when I have some money, and this is near the top of the list. Cultured animal products, without the cruelty or inefficiency of raising conscious, normal animals, has the potential to push humanity forward economically, morally, and healthfully (couldn't hurt to provide more nutritious options).

I wish that there was more of a focus on milk, because milk production is arguably the most cruel of them all, and it also seems to be more feasible, considering it's a homogeneous liquid solution. Granted, synthetic milk is getting some attention, too: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/genetic-engineering-synthetic-milk-...

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