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Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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That wasn't a protest. That was a riot. Let's call a spade a spade for once. I dont't expect much from Jeff Bezos's personal blog, but here on HN standards should be higher.

Regardless of what you want to call it, the real question is why liberals are now fighting against civil liberties.

Doublespeak works wonders. "No-platforming" and "The Paradox of Tolerance" are very hot topics of discussion among young leftists right now.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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I'm sorry, but the fact our president doesn't actually understand what free speech means is appalling. Free speech doesn't mean a college has to give you a platform from which to spew your hate speech. Ironically him threatening to defund them over this is actually a borderline violation of the college's free speech rights.

The college did give him a platform. The kids in ninja costumes took it away.

Almost every programmer I follow on Twitter cheered and praised them while they threw bombs, lit fires, beat and pepper sprayed people. I guess programmers do see themselves as ninjas, after all.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of what you want to call it, the real question is why liberals are now fighting against civil liberties.

I don't think it's fair to blame 'liberals'. The University which expressed differences with the invitee's beliefs but invited him to speak, struggled to create a safe environment but ultimately was unable to do so, yes. They could be described as liberals. But violent protest is pretty much by definition an illiberal activity. For example, would you describe the Black Panthers liberals? Personally I wouldn't. They m…

As far as I can tell from available news, no one "struggled" worth a damn to create a safe environment. In fact the opposite seems to be true: police was ordered to stand down, inviting the situation to get out of control.

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Can a HN mod comment on why this was flagged? I'd be interested to know why.

Articles are flagged if enough people click the 'flag' button. Mods are generally not involved.

Feature request. Give us an "unflag" button, so we can get this article back to the front page.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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No good will come of this. Certainly no one walks away holding the moral high ground.

This time, like it or not, Milo did exactly that.

Why do you think that? The students showed they will not tolerate her hate speech, so she cancelled it.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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I'm not sure I totally agree with the idea to cut funds, but there is certainly a problem where protesters have forgotten how to be peaceable. This is kind of a natural out growth of the "ends justify the means" philosophy. Since people replying can't seem to read critically let me clarify. I didn't say ALL or most protests haven't been peaceable. Because you can cite peaceful ones does not mean that there is not a p…

The largest protest in American history was just held last month and was completely peaceful. This event had a set of 10-12 agitators.

So 10-12 out of hundreds/thousands of individuals? Then how come these peaceful protesters didn't isolate/restrain/identify/pepper-spray/anything these violent agitator individuals?

I'd say that sounds like more than 10-12, or those 10-12 had a whole lot more "peaceful" supporters supporting/cheering them in their criminal activities.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Articles are flagged if enough people click the 'flag' button. Mods are generally not involved.

Feature request. Give us an "unflag" button, so we can get this article back to the front page.

I agree. I had to google "hacker news berkeley protest" in order to find it.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Articles are flagged if enough people click the 'flag' button. Mods are generally not involved.

Feature request. Give us an "unflag" button, so we can get this article back to the front page.

I believe the appropriate recourse is upvote.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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post #65
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This time, like it or not, Milo did exactly that.

Why do you think that? The students showed they will not tolerate her hate speech, so she cancelled it.

"The students showed they will not tolerate her hate speech..."

1) Milo is male.

2) As the university's chief of police says in the article, she does not believe students were involved in the vandalism.

and 3) What qualifies this as "hate speech"?

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Threatening to cut federal funding for a major public university after an event like this, however disastrous, is exactly what I'd expect from an authoritarian dictator and not the president of the United States. Had the roles been reversed and right wing protesters started a riot due to an extreme left wing speaker, does anyone honestly believe Trump would have reacted this way? For the record, I'm not trying to exc…

The question is, does he have the power to do this? It seems to me every time someone speaks up against him, he has the power to do damages - either by firing, cutting funds, banning the press, etc. My understanding of the "checks and balances" should be that not a single person - including someone as powerful as the president - should be able to do that.
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