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A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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Re: A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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Couldn't they just go overseas? I think it's only in America where produce tastes like cardboard.

Oh, this is definitely false. I'm in Norway, and I'm loathe to buy fresh tomatoes because they are usually mushy. It is no wonder my Norwegian spouse rarely likes fresh tomatoes.

I do have better luck buying small cherry or grape tomatoes, but when possible I use the tinned tomatoes.

Re: A Genetic Fix to Put the Taste Back in Tomatoes

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I was born in Romania, visited there less than two weeks ago, and now I am in the United States. This is simply not true at all. Tomatoes in Romania taste exactly the same as tomatoes in the United States (e.g. bland). Even tomatoes bought from farmer's market are not much better because they don't use the tastiest varieties of tomatoes.

In the winter tomatoes have no taste. Real tomatoes are a summer plant. Ask your parents. ;)

I don't have to ask anybody, I have lived in Romania for 21 years. Summer tomatoes that are not specially sourced are just as crappy in Romania, Austria, and United States. Slightly better at the farmer's market though. I have also lived in rural Romania for many months at a time, in the summer, for over a decade, and have grown tomatoes myself.

The only time I ever got good tomatoes was at some tomato faire, or some special organic farmer's market (in the summer, of course). And every time it was outside Romania.

The idea that food in Romania is somehow unaffected by global economic development is a myth that has to die.

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It's hilarious. I grew up in the rural midwest and I was taught to make "popped corn" on the stove in a pot with a little bit of oil by my grand mother. I love it this way, so does my wife, and I still prefer to make it this way to today. However, we had a very good friend over recently and I made popcorn for the 3 of us on the stove and she thought it was way beyond weird. She actually bought us one of those air pop…

My parents had a pot with a top, and a crank in the handle that could be turned to stop the kernels from sticking. I suppose it's the more commercial version of what you grew up doing. It looks like they're still available for $20 or $30.

Those hand crank popcorn poppers can be pretty good at roasting your own coffee, if you're interested.

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There's a similar problem with popcorn. Showing my age card here, but back in the 1970's popcorn actually tasted like corn , which seems to be a difficult concept to explain to anyone under 40. It all went south around the same time that microwave popcorn became popular. People always ask if I don't like tomatoes when I eat around them in salads or remove from burgers. Nope, I love tomatoes, that's why I don't eat fl…

There are 2 really good canned variety's available in the US (IMHO): 1) San Marzano (imported) 2) Muir Glen Organic

Odd. Either I have terrible tastebuds or it doesn't matter in this particular application, but last time I made sauce with San Marzano vs generic tomatoes no one could tell the difference.

Someone more experienced want to pipe in and help my ignorance?

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Temple Grandin had some interesting thoughts on how single trait breeding can lead to adverse affects in her discussion on "Rapist Roosters", and how this relates to software[0]. It seems like this is also happening here. Typically when single trait breeding leads to an adverse, undesirable affect (lack of taste), while the selected trait was obtained (in this case, possibly bigger size) breeders don't start from scr…

That explains why most every dog breed that competes on looks and becomes popular gets messed up. Also American breeders have this odd habit of taking large dogs that should be about 80 lbs and breeding them into behemoths, usually to the detriment of the dogs

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amazing tasting tomatoes still exist around the world, if you are on vacation in Italy in the summer buy some "cuor di bue" tomatoes at the supermarket and they will be amazing. Of course if you happen to know somebody that grows them and you can pick them off the plant they will be even more incredible, but even the "normal" supermarket ones are going to be orders of magnitude tastier than anything you can find in N…

Amazing tasting tomatoes are still common in North America, too. They're called "heirloom tomatoes" and are widely available at farmers' markets, as well as high end and organic grocery stores.

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There's a similar problem with popcorn. Showing my age card here, but back in the 1970's popcorn actually tasted like corn , which seems to be a difficult concept to explain to anyone under 40. It all went south around the same time that microwave popcorn became popular. People always ask if I don't like tomatoes when I eat around them in salads or remove from burgers. Nope, I love tomatoes, that's why I don't eat fl…

I wish there was a brand dedicated to optimizing for taste of fruits and vegetables vs appearance. And by taste I don't mean sweetness. I'd actually optimize for less sweet fruits.

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There's a similar problem with popcorn. Showing my age card here, but back in the 1970's popcorn actually tasted like corn , which seems to be a difficult concept to explain to anyone under 40. It all went south around the same time that microwave popcorn became popular. People always ask if I don't like tomatoes when I eat around them in salads or remove from burgers. Nope, I love tomatoes, that's why I don't eat fl…

> canners use varieties that have not been ruined for shipping This explains why I love canned/boxed tomatoes, but hate the slimy, bland sliced ones they put on sandwiches.

A home grown heirloom tomato is amazing. The stuff that they try to pass off in the stores as a tomato is awful.

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My parents had a pot with a top, and a crank in the handle that could be turned to stop the kernels from sticking. I suppose it's the more commercial version of what you grew up doing. It looks like they're still available for $20 or $30.

Those hand crank popcorn poppers can be pretty good at roasting your own coffee, if you're interested.

I don't know about others, but I for one would like to learn more. Do you have any links or further info?

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> In the tasting panels, there were noticeable differences in preferences: between men and women, between foodies and nonfoodies, and, perhaps most interesting, between older people and younger people. He recalled one of the students working in his laboratory picking out the supermarket tomato as her favorite in one of the taste tests. People like what they know. But I'm guessing repeated exposure could end up shifti…

I think people are often too harsh on supermarket produce. Obviously they factor in time spent during transport, but the growers have ridiculous amounts of experience in what they do.

I grow 6-7 different types of tomatoes in my backyard (including heirloom types). Some are good, some varieties are bland. Have had a few supermarket cherry tomatoes recently that have been great, and similar experiences with others.

Often I end up picking my own tomatoes before they're perfectly ripe anyway to lessen the chance of birds/bugs/rats beating me to it. Little different to growers picking early for transport.

I also grow two different types of strawberries. They're good, but so are those we get in shops.

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