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Re: Future of Flash

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Post by not_an_alien »

thamer wrote: post #34
pan69 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will work just fine. On a touch device you use your finger to move the mouse, what would be the problem?

No it won’t. Touch events being transformed into click events means that a finger touch and swipe will be translated into a clic & drag. How do you differentiate click & drag from hover & move?

Click & drag events: mouse over -> mouse down -> mouse move

Hover & move events: mouse over -> mouse move

Since that website does not take mouse down into consideration (taking no action), then yes, 'click & drag' would work perfectly well.

Re: Future of Flash

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Post by omgsean »

WilliamLP wrote: post #43
thingie wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://palisada.net/files/video.html This is enough (look at the source, that's all I did, except uploading the video file). Of course, custom controls and other stuff would take more effort, but just puting a video on your website is this easy, really.

Except it doesn't work in Firefox because of open source politics! If you want the same video file to appear in any browser this still requires Flash unfortunately. (And supporting multiple encodings for everything you produce can be expensive in terms of processing power, storage, maintenance, and so on.)

>If you want the same video file to appear in any browser

Except Mobile Safari...

Re: Future of Flash

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Post by anin_teger »

kiiski wrote: post #22
mustpax wrote: post #5

"19 out of the top 20 device manufacturers worldwide have committed to shipping Flash technology on their devices" It would be more wise to actually wait till you can deliver a decent Flash implementation on a mobile device before touting your mobile position. Because your mobile position right now is that you have been promising the world but not delivering jack.

Flash runs just as well on my nokia n900 as it does on desktop, So I don't think the problem is at adobes end. Of course, I don't even remember when was the last time I actually needed to use flash (on mobile or on desktop).

Flash lite works fine on a Nokia E71. Also I can view Youtube on the Webkit based S60 web browser.

Re: Future of Flash

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Post by jasonlotito »

WilliamLP wrote: post #13

Their new slogan should be "Flash: at least you're still locked into it for the next half decade if you want to support IE 8."

Or if you need features that are still not present in HTML5. Flash is used for more than playing videos and simple games.

Re: Future of Flash

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Post by xenthral »

not_an_alien wrote: post #60
xenthral wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went through a phase I tried installing everything under the sun and looked around quite a bit (the packages directly from adobe, different apt packages, random bash scripts I found online..) so I actually don't remember what I tested and didn't. What I have _at the moment_ and doesn't work that well, I got through the 'flashplugin-nonfree' package which if I understand is the 'preferred' way to install flash on ub…

It is the 'normal' way but I'm not sure it's the 'preferred' one for a x64 system. Seriously, are you SURE you tried the x64 version? From the looks of it, you didn't, so I'd suggest you following the steps to get the x64 package. Something like this should work: http://nxadm.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/install-64-bit-adobe-f... http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/install-flash-10-ubuntu-linux-... It's not flashplugin-nonfree…

I had definitely tried that before, recall issuing a 'mkdir .mozilla/plugins' & moving a .so in there. Can't remember why I rolled that back and reinstalled it through apt thought.

Anyways trying it again nonetheless, the blinking is still going on with scrolling, going to see if performance/crashing at least improves.

Re: Future of Flash

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Post by Qz »

ianbishop wrote: post #3

I wonder how many times Adobe has these same arguments pasted all over their site. The exchange has been had. If you tried any harder to push your relevance, you might even come off as a little desperate.

Is there something in what they said that you disagree with?

Re: Future of Flash

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Post by Qz »

jcl wrote: post #44

It's funny to see Adobe listing things like Gnash, Haxe, and Red5 as advantages of Flash, after impeding their early development.

It's not like Adobe is the only tech company guilty of that.

Re: Future of Flash

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Post by perpetuity »

glhaynes wrote: post #46
frou_dh wrote: post #8

Despite all these high figures and percentages, I still typically find Flash annoying, bar video players. What now?

Yep. I know a lot of iPad users, and I haven't heard a single one complain about something being inaccessible due to lack of Flash. I'm an iPad owner myself and have been annoyed a small number of times by not being able to see something, but so rarely (and always on such uncritical stuff) that "support Flash" wouldn't even be in my top 20 of feature requests. There are of course some for whom this wouldn't be the ca…

I concur. Typing on my iPad right now. The main feature request I have is being addressed in OS 4 and will allow other music players to play in the background.

Flash is not needed for probably 90% of the use cases I browse past. It has a place until something else (like plain old code) takes it's place.

Re: Future of Flash

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Post by tomlin »

davidedicillo wrote: post #52
mustpax wrote: post #5

"19 out of the top 20 device manufacturers worldwide have committed to shipping Flash technology on their devices" It would be more wise to actually wait till you can deliver a decent Flash implementation on a mobile device before touting your mobile position. Because your mobile position right now is that you have been promising the world but not delivering jack.

I completely agree. If there is something that I like about Apple is that they don't brag about things they haven't done yet. Get over with this philosophy of prototypes. Flash on mobile phones is as good as Microsoft Courier. The day I will see 19 out of the top 20 device manufacturers worldwide run Flash with no problems I will complain about Apple not being the 20th.

I sorta see your point. But the word committed is being used properly. No one is this picky about the hyperbole Steve Jobs hands out in the form of fact.

Re: Future of Flash

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Post by jasonlotito »

braindead_in wrote: post #11

The article is more about present than the future. Instead why not focus on filling the gaps? There are still so many things that HTML5 and browsers cant do. Wasn't that the reason Flash came into existence in the first place.

The problem is, there is a lot of FUD suggesting that HTML5 is a complete replacement for Flash, and you can duplicate Flash in HTML5, when the truth is, you can't.
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