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Re: Neurodiversity

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Post by yummyfajitas »

cb18 wrote: post #48
yummyfajitas wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are people uncomfortable with this? While it's not important enough for genetic engineering on it's own, I'd probably edit my children to be darker. Having spent a few days on the beach in Thailand, the genetic inferiority of my own fair skin is quite visible and painful.

I'd probably edit my children to be darker. Having spent a few days on the beach in Thailand, the genetic inferiority of my own fair skin is quite visible and painful. Is this like reductio ad absurdum of PC signalling? Where do you spend the other 362 days of the year? In an environment that fair skin provides advantages for things like vitamin D production perhaps?

I spend the rest of the year in places that are not Norway or Sweden - places where even the darkest African or Tamil does not suffer vitamin D deficiency.

I find it very entertaining to be accused of PC signalling a few days after being accused of white supremacy.

Re: Neurodiversity

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Post by duckingtest »

throwaway876543 wrote: post #57
duckingtest wrote: post #54

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How can you know? The only way to really compare two lives would be to live them both.

I'm completely fucking isolated. Like, a million miles away. Someone at work invites me to a party. I go, I have fun. I never get invited again. New person gets hired, pattern repeats. Reliable as a clock. My wife? I picked her up using techniques from the seduction community, which I studied like a science and practiced for over a year. I did that because I was tired of being a virgin, now I hate this relationship a…

You sound like someone who could benefit from 300μg of LSD to think his life through and perhaps make major changes, alternatively psylocybin. No offense, but it seems like you're mindlessly executing a social script meant for someone completely different. Like a Westworld host's loop (a tv series).

Regarding parties, if you want to make yourself social, try MDMA with selegiline. Selegiline is to prevent MDMA from being neurotoxic [0].

>BTW, during that seduction community time I spent endless hours at bars and clubs, surrounded by people having fun and pretending to have fun myself. I never had any fun there. It was more of a war zone which I tolerated in pursuit of a goal.

You weren't alone. Most, if not all, men go to clubs in hope of getting laid. Those that have fun find the whole process fun; a game. They are the most extroverted ones so it may seem like it's the normal way to spend free time, but in reality they're a small minority. Nothing weird with not liking it, or not getting along with those that like it.

>I did that because I was tired of being a virgin

Literally, or do you mean combined with being single? If literally, why all that work on seduction instead of paying a prostitute?

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17881526

Re: Neurodiversity

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Post by yummyfajitas »

duckingtest wrote: post #49
yummyfajitas wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are people uncomfortable with this? While it's not important enough for genetic engineering on it's own, I'd probably edit my children to be darker. Having spent a few days on the beach in Thailand, the genetic inferiority of my own fair skin is quite visible and painful.

What does it have with skin color? Just limit the sun for two or three days until you tan, no sunburns after that. It's not like Thais are black. Compare: https://pixabay.com/p-199674/?no_redirect https://tonycavanagh.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/5005.jpg Hardly a big difference. For genetic modification, the best solution is to increase range of tanning rather than changing the constant. It's already possible to get…

Perhaps I can chemically supplement myself to have the same powers that my African and Indian friends are born with. Why wouldn't I want my children to be born with that power?

Similarly, I'd like them to be born intelligent and naturally athletic.

Re: Neurodiversity

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Post by Rzor »

throwaway876543 wrote: post #57
duckingtest wrote: post #54

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How can you know? The only way to really compare two lives would be to live them both.

I'm completely fucking isolated. Like, a million miles away. Someone at work invites me to a party. I go, I have fun. I never get invited again. New person gets hired, pattern repeats. Reliable as a clock. My wife? I picked her up using techniques from the seduction community, which I studied like a science and practiced for over a year. I did that because I was tired of being a virgin, now I hate this relationship a…

You remind me of a friend. We don't talk to each other anymore, though, because he found a way to focus his mad drive for computers. He's a brilliant programmer and a bit narcissistic. By getting into college I think he found a way to have his skills valued despite what other people might have to deal with regarding his personality. He's not always an ass, but he can be difficult. I'm quite sure that he's going to be lonely in the future, just like you, if he doesn't find friends able to cope with his most shiny traits.

OTOH, I'm the polar opposite, the complete loser, much like the stereotype of a fry-cook can come to be, and I have to say that being lonely as I am, I would trade places with you in heartbeat. While I don't inflict in other people and keep most things to myself, to have to deal with the minor incompetence of others in exchange to be completely isolated sounds great.

Re: Neurodiversity

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Post by adrienne »

throwaway876543 wrote: post #57
duckingtest wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you know? The only way to really compare two lives would be to live them both.

I'm completely fucking isolated. Like, a million miles away. Someone at work invites me to a party. I go, I have fun. I never get invited again. New person gets hired, pattern repeats. Reliable as a clock. My wife? I picked her up using techniques from the seduction community, which I studied like a science and practiced for over a year. I did that because I was tired of being a virgin, now I hate this relationship a…

God, divorce the poor woman - whom you clearly think of as property anyway - and let her find someone who isn't misogynist.

Re: Neurodiversity

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Post by harryh »

drdeca wrote: post #45
harryh wrote: post #25

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There is an Arthur C. Clarke short story called Reunion in which Aliens send a message indicating that humans are actually descendants of alien colonists and that the aliens have finally found a cure for white skin.

, but we can already do that I think? Like, I think taking some hormones can make one's skin produce more melanin . Idk if one has to keep taking it or not to keep it up, but from the pictures it looked fairly thorough.

TBH I have no idea. Just mentioned the Arthur C. Clarke as an amusing related anecdote.

Re: Neurodiversity

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Post by nrjdhsbsid »

I believe they're right about neurodiversity overall but that doesn't make a case for preventing gene editing so these people can better function in our society.

If you think about it, surely out of the counless gene variations possible in sexual reproduction some of them will most definitely be bad and even fatal.

In fact this happens all the time. The fact is that society is naturally tuned toward the average case and straying far in either direction usually causes a bad quality of life.

Humans have a tendency to mark everything as good or bad. Beautiful or ugly, smart or stupid. In reality everything is on a statistical distribution and for most traits you want to be in the middle. We shouldn't be breeding humans to live 20 years or 200, as a social species it's largely better to just correct the large outliers, even if it means losing our "geniuses"

Re: Neurodiversity

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Post by duckingtest »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #63
duckingtest wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it have with skin color? Just limit the sun for two or three days until you tan, no sunburns after that. It's not like Thais are black. Compare: https://pixabay.com/p-199674/?no_redirect https://tonycavanagh.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/5005.jpg Hardly a big difference. For genetic modification, the best solution is to increase range of tanning rather than changing the constant. It's already possible to get…

Perhaps I can chemically supplement myself to have the same powers that my African and Indian friends are born with. Why wouldn't I want my children to be born with that power? Similarly, I'd like them to be born intelligent and naturally athletic.

Power to be D3 deficient? [0] Do you have some inferiority complex? It's objectively better to have white skin that can tan instead of a darker one. It's always possible to cover from the sun. Only disadvantage: in sunny climates, ~4x higher risk of skin cancer, but the absolute risk is still a minuscule ~25/100k.

"It is evident that as much as 69%-82% of the South Asian populations in India had 25(OH)D levels in plasma less than the minimum acceptable levels of 20 ng/ml"

Skin colors evolved when most people were outside for the entire day. Now the opposite is true.

[0] http://www.pjms.com.pk/issues/octdec208/article/reviewarticl...

Re: Neurodiversity

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Post by astrange »

teraflop wrote: post #19
SonOfLilit wrote: post #8

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I think you're talking about Distress by Greg Egan? Was the book about the announcement of a Theory of Everything on an artificial island?

Pretty sure OP was referring to A Deepness in the Sky .

Yes, but I didn't want to spoil it.

Re: Neurodiversity

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Post by drdeca »

harryh wrote: post #66
drdeca wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

, but we can already do that I think? Like, I think taking some hormones can make one's skin produce more melanin . Idk if one has to keep taking it or not to keep it up, but from the pictures it looked fairly thorough.

TBH I have no idea. Just mentioned the Arthur C. Clarke as an amusing related anecdote.

The technology might have been developed after he wrote it, idk.

Tbh I was also just mentioning what I mentioned because I thought it was amusing/interesting/novel or uh, thought it would look good to mention or something

What you mentioned was amusing

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