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Re: PepsiCo Wants to Sell Healthy Food, Consumers Want Chips

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Post by AstralStorm » Mon, Dec 12, 2016, 2:57 PM UTC

bowersbros wrote: post #45

ClassyJacket wrote: post #33

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It's literally impossible to gain weight from drinking diet soda. It doesn't have food energy. It can't break thermodynamics. It can only be explained by other factors like people over compensating with other calorie consumption.

Could things such as chemical imbalance or just the chemicals themselves affect metabolism / digestion, causing weight gain?

That requires some good research to prove.

What is known is that suddenly cutting caffeine after large regular intake will cause weight gain.

Re: PepsiCo Wants to Sell Healthy Food, Consumers Want Chips

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Post by AstralStorm » Mon, Dec 12, 2016, 3:02 PM UTC

djrogers wrote: post #21

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #7

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I like to think diet pop can fit into this category... but then there's the backlash of "unnatural chemicals" which sceptics believe must obviously be bad for you.

> the backlash of "unnatural chemicals" which sceptics (sic.) believe must obviously be bad for you. You mean like the fact that they inhibit beneficial intestinal flora [1], or that numerous studies have found that people have a higher risk for diabetes if they drink diet soda [2], or that people gain weight when they switch to diet sofa from regular [3]? Yeah, those wacky skeptics - they'll believe anything... [1]…

Number 1: humans are not mice, the research cited does not even suggest that mice gain weight or how large dose is required. (BTW circumventing paywalls sucks)

Number 2: major confounder is that people who eat unhealthy or are already obese drink those diet drinks. People who aren't drink normal ones. Needs interventional study not dumb epidemiology.

Number 3: see number 2.

Re: PepsiCo Wants to Sell Healthy Food, Consumers Want Chips

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Post by AstralStorm » Mon, Dec 12, 2016, 3:04 PM UTC

spullara wrote: post #37

djrogers wrote: post #21

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> the backlash of "unnatural chemicals" which sceptics (sic.) believe must obviously be bad for you. You mean like the fact that they inhibit beneficial intestinal flora [1], or that numerous studies have found that people have a higher risk for diabetes if they drink diet soda [2], or that people gain weight when they switch to diet sofa from regular [3]? Yeah, those wacky skeptics - they'll believe anything... [1]…

On the other hand, I stopped drinking all diet sodas and just drank water / carbonated water the last year. Absolutely no difference. Didn't even notice the lack of caffeine going from 6 diet dr peppers per day down to 0.

Which means of you drank unsweetened caffeine you might lose weight.

Re: PepsiCo Wants to Sell Healthy Food, Consumers Want Chips

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Post by AstralStorm » Mon, Dec 12, 2016, 3:06 PM UTC

zeroer wrote: post #20

nommm-nommm wrote: post #13

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Diet soda is not healthy. At the very best it's ideally neutral, neither unhealthy or healthy. However, some research has been coming out lately that suggests diet soda (more specifically artificial sweeteners) may have various negative effects on health. Nothing conclusive but enough to make me avoid artificial sweeteners entirely.

The carbonation in soda is bad for your teeth and bone health, regardless of the sugar vs. non-calorie sweetener debate.

Carbonation is unimportant. You won't get bone problems from drinking carbonated water.

The phosphoric acid is the problem - the cola drinks contain a large amount.

Re: PepsiCo Wants to Sell Healthy Food, Consumers Want Chips

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Post by AstralStorm » Mon, Dec 12, 2016, 3:08 PM UTC

mixedCase wrote: post #42

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #15

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It's not a backlash, it's science. See e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/ While there's no conclusive proof diet soda definitely causes weight gain, there's absolutely no evidence at all that it helps with weight loss. Sugary or not, there's no rational basis for considering sodas of any variety "healthy."

Diet soda does not cause weight gain. Diet soda makes you hungrier, and that makes you eat more and gain weight.

Control being pure water, unsweetened coffee or caffeine solution? Give me proper science.

Re: PepsiCo Wants to Sell Healthy Food, Consumers Want Chips

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Post by spullara » Mon, Dec 12, 2016, 6:09 PM UTC

AstralStorm wrote: post #63

spullara wrote: post #37

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On the other hand, I stopped drinking all diet sodas and just drank water / carbonated water the last year. Absolutely no difference. Didn't even notice the lack of caffeine going from 6 diet dr peppers per day down to 0.

Which means of you drank unsweetened caffeine you might lose weight.

You think? I'll be on the lookout for carbonated caffeine water.

Re: PepsiCo Wants to Sell Healthy Food, Consumers Want Chips

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Post by darpa_escapee » Tue, Dec 13, 2016, 12:47 AM UTC

gajjanag wrote: post #57

massysett wrote: post #12

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When scientists want to engineer healthy food to be healthier and more inexpensive--a.k.a. genetic modification--they are met with superstition and FUD.

The thing is that such engineering of healthy food is not really needed in developed countries with reasonable income levels. Yes, if one wants cheap processed food that is healthy, one needs significant engineering. The raw ingredients that are part of classical preparations are extremely cheap. For example, in the United States, rice can be had at ~ $0.50-$0.75 a pound, or in my favorite normalization, As for prepa…

I've found that the caloric, ingredient and nutritional breakdown for almost all processed, boxed and frozen foods at Whole Foods are close to or exactly the same as their grocery store counterparts. Nutritionally, produce is produce; so to me the real value of Whole Foods and their ilk are their selection of meats.