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Re: PepsiCo Wants to Sell Healthy Food, Consumers Want Chips

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Post by pascalxus »

djrogers wrote: post #21
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #7

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I like to think diet pop can fit into this category... but then there's the backlash of "unnatural chemicals" which sceptics believe must obviously be bad for you.

> the backlash of "unnatural chemicals" which sceptics (sic.) believe must obviously be bad for you. You mean like the fact that they inhibit beneficial intestinal flora [1], or that numerous studies have found that people have a higher risk for diabetes if they drink diet soda [2], or that people gain weight when they switch to diet sofa from regular [3]? Yeah, those wacky skeptics - they'll believe anything... [1]…

These experiments are mainly just correlational, they do not control the usage of diet sodas. So, of course, people who drink diet sodas are going to be heavier: they're the ones trying to loose weight and hence the ones who will gain the most weight! There's no reason to drink diet soda if your body doesn't have any problems with weight.

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Post by mixedCase »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #15
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #7

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I like to think diet pop can fit into this category... but then there's the backlash of "unnatural chemicals" which sceptics believe must obviously be bad for you.

It's not a backlash, it's science. See e.g. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/ While there's no conclusive proof diet soda definitely causes weight gain, there's absolutely no evidence at all that it helps with weight loss. Sugary or not, there's no rational basis for considering sodas of any variety "healthy."

Diet soda does not cause weight gain.

Diet soda makes you hungrier, and that makes you eat more and gain weight.

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Post by blatherard »

fotbr wrote: post #26
wincy wrote: post #14

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This kind of thing scares me. As someone who lost 70 pounds eating bacon and eggs for six months, and eating about 5x the recommended daily amount of salt that whole time, I'm worried the government stepping in will make all our food taste like cardboard. Sugar is the enemy, but so often fat and salt are demonized when in a proper diet these aren't unhealthy at all.

As someone who could stand to lose (more than) a few pounds, this bacon and eggs diet sounds interesting. Was this part of a low/no carb diet? Something else?

It sounds like a keto diet, which I adopted about a year ago and have lost about 50 pounds on (from ~185 to ~135). I learned about it most from /r/keto on reddit.

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Post by [deleted] »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #38
Moshe_Silnorin wrote: post #10

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It's coordination problems all the way down. I'd prefer the ability to purchase the products I choose, and suffer the consequences.

Yes, but based off the fact that you visit HN you are an informed and educated consumer. A lot of people (more than many realize) don't even understand how bad a bag of doritos is for their health. "Oh, it's just one bag" is a common saying. You probably will portion control, read the nutrition label, etc and make a decision. Most will see a delicious bag of doritos and eat it.

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Post by bowersbros »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #33
djrogers wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the backlash of "unnatural chemicals" which sceptics (sic.) believe must obviously be bad for you. You mean like the fact that they inhibit beneficial intestinal flora [1], or that numerous studies have found that people have a higher risk for diabetes if they drink diet soda [2], or that people gain weight when they switch to diet sofa from regular [3]? Yeah, those wacky skeptics - they'll believe anything... [1]…

It's literally impossible to gain weight from drinking diet soda. It doesn't have food energy. It can't break thermodynamics. It can only be explained by other factors like people over compensating with other calorie consumption.

Could things such as chemical imbalance or just the chemicals themselves affect metabolism / digestion, causing weight gain?

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Post by mixedCase »

fotbr wrote: post #26
wincy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of thing scares me. As someone who lost 70 pounds eating bacon and eggs for six months, and eating about 5x the recommended daily amount of salt that whole time, I'm worried the government stepping in will make all our food taste like cardboard. Sugar is the enemy, but so often fat and salt are demonized when in a proper diet these aren't unhealthy at all.

As someone who could stand to lose (more than) a few pounds, this bacon and eggs diet sounds interesting. Was this part of a low/no carb diet? Something else?

Bacon and eggs diet sounds very much like keto. If you don't have already critically high blood pressure and your kidneys aren't damaged for some reason, do try it out.

I'd recommend you read Reddit's /r/keto, specially its side bar, and make sure you always meet water intake goals and take your electrolytes.

I've consistently lost weight on the diet, and consistently gained it back when I abandoned it because Doritos.

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Post by throwawaylalala »

fotbr wrote: post #26
wincy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of thing scares me. As someone who lost 70 pounds eating bacon and eggs for six months, and eating about 5x the recommended daily amount of salt that whole time, I'm worried the government stepping in will make all our food taste like cardboard. Sugar is the enemy, but so often fat and salt are demonized when in a proper diet these aren't unhealthy at all.

As someone who could stand to lose (more than) a few pounds, this bacon and eggs diet sounds interesting. Was this part of a low/no carb diet? Something else?

Most likely ketogenic diet. Check out the /keto subreddit FAQ.

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Post by jimmaswell »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #38
Moshe_Silnorin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's coordination problems all the way down. I'd prefer the ability to purchase the products I choose, and suffer the consequences.

Yes, but based off the fact that you visit HN you are an informed and educated consumer. A lot of people (more than many realize) don't even understand how bad a bag of doritos is for their health. "Oh, it's just one bag" is a common saying. You probably will portion control, read the nutrition label, etc and make a decision. Most will see a delicious bag of doritos and eat it.

A bag of Doritos really is just a bad of Doritos. When an average person eats a bag of Doritos, or even eats Doritos habitually, the rest of their life goes on no differently than if they'd never eaten Doritos. I'm sure an overwhelming junkfood addiction will have negative health consequences, but the vast majority of people who occasionally to semi-oftenly eat junk food are just fine.

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Post by mixedCase »

sandworm101 wrote: post #31
wincy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of thing scares me. As someone who lost 70 pounds eating bacon and eggs for six months, and eating about 5x the recommended daily amount of salt that whole time, I'm worried the government stepping in will make all our food taste like cardboard. Sugar is the enemy, but so often fat and salt are demonized when in a proper diet these aren't unhealthy at all.

But are you scared by all the current regulations? When they banned alum in flour, industry and customers did scream. Today we find it very normal that our flour not contain alum. Alum makes whiter bread and consumers wanted whiter bread, paralleling what Pepsi is saying today. Atkins-style diets have their downsides. especially in regards to blood pressure. Eating paleo sounds great, but remember that few of our anc…

>Atkins-style diets have their downsides. especially in regards to blood pressure.

Only at the beginning if you already had big, BIG troubles with blood pressure. The salt intake required might take you over the edge before your body adapts to ketosis. But only in those extreme situations and at the beginning; after keto adaptation you will excrete a huge amount of your salt intake rather than absorb it like you would otherwise.

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Post by jimmaswell »

fotbr wrote: post #26
wincy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of thing scares me. As someone who lost 70 pounds eating bacon and eggs for six months, and eating about 5x the recommended daily amount of salt that whole time, I'm worried the government stepping in will make all our food taste like cardboard. Sugar is the enemy, but so often fat and salt are demonized when in a proper diet these aren't unhealthy at all.

As someone who could stand to lose (more than) a few pounds, this bacon and eggs diet sounds interesting. Was this part of a low/no carb diet? Something else?

Just eat bacon and eggs if you want but make sure you count how many calories you eat during the day and keep it below your TDEE.
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